robert

Oops got me there..was confused.ment to say a ride at disneys. I've not seen it but is'nt it based on movies from the 40's an 50's like treasure island? Hey no purist, not sure if thats whats ment by historical nazi but some of the historical events are very interesting and were well recorded. I read that this movie is set in asia or did that change. point being its titled POC2*********** then it should be set in the caribbean..Never saw the patriot so ???...I'll see the next one,poc2, when it comes out on dvd..an give you my thumbs up or down ...lol...ok..depps fine for fantasy films..I'll give you that but he aught to tone down the frankenstien arm thing and shashaying...an get a little more serious an less inside joke...guess thats been my main gripe with poc..thanks for the conversation....

well, Dont want to rain on your parades, If i was to make a movie about pirates they would be more dark and true to form. If its was titled caribbean pirates, it would be in the Caribbean..A wildly interesting place to be, canes not with standing....not nice guys prancing around looking glazed over.....should be based on history an not a video game. Can you imagine what a quality movie about Las Aves fleet would be like or Gramont, DeGraf, Jennings, Anne bonny etc..better than fiction.

Man its hard to reason with....."Jacks, drool this an barbossa is sexy that.....I dont get that at all, ???....a course that monkey is looking better an better to me all the time .....natural, intelligent an debonair. Did he, the monkey, sign up for sequels too? pawprint in the ink so to speak. I hope he's not playing second bannana again... btw did he have a name???

ya well..i guess i'm the lone wolf here....theres no convincing ya..lol....

I thought this new movie was to be called POC ********...Pirates of the Caribbean..implys that it be in the caribbean..not singapore or asia..The problem most squels have is the script writters are rehashing the same character dynamics an interactions. Seems to me, there are many actors out there that could play pirate personas better than depp and maybe as well as rush...heres one..the guy that played in rob roy as a bad guy would be excellent as a pirate so would the guy that played rob roy. It, poc2, could turn in to Abbot an Costello meet the pirates if its not extremely well handled. See if it bombs out, then future pictures could be dropped... THe pirate lore has many many interesting slants to it..How about a film based on the golden age piracy, definately degraff was an interesting pirate bigger in life than any charater actor in any pirate movie.....heres my take on depps charater..its to much like when he played the stoner reporter in las vegas ....zanny with glassy eyes..yet basically a nice guy but you know ahead a time he 's going to out smart the bad authorities. Wheres the an--tis-a-pation(sp?) in that? I know most ladies like depp an rush an want to see them back but would'nt you like t o see something different? I mean varity is the spice a life? well thats it..

Given the spotty history of sequel movies, purhaps the poc producers should revamp the script to have all new characters instead of the same old cast as before. Personally I'd find that more interesting, and it gives the writers the freedom to excape the constraints of the same type cast personas. If your doing a poc movie should'nt it be filmed in the caribbean? Being authentic to the local is, I would think, important to carry the atmosphere of the movie. I'm sure lots of money will be spent producing it but is it that wise to reprise esentially the same thing again? you know good pirate vs bad pirate.

this is a stupid question i'm sure, but what exactly do you do with movie props anyway? I've been looking at these type of items an they seem to be generally greatly overpriced and made of inferior materials. example would be the pirate coin from potc. Would'nt something orginial or a good copy of something be as good? example would'nt you rather have a real period sword over a rubber prop sword? or is a fake prop onion bottle more desirable over a true 18 century onion bottle? Something intangable about them? thanks in advance

What exactly is it that makes modern pirate mentality? History tells us that these men/woman were that had no redeeming qualities other than banding together.They engaged illegal activites including extremes such as out and out torture and murder to acheive an end. Has the pirate persona been hyped/morphed to something it never was by the fanciful thinking? Seems to be Likable, hard drinking over dressed scallewags with romantic overtones. The same types i.e. Dillinger, baby face nelson, al Capon are thought of today as twisted pschopathics killers yet will they someday recieve the pirate mantel and a blind eye turned to what they really were?...I hope i said this right, not trying to start a fight just trying to understand what "pirate" means presently.

I must be blind as all i saw was a smart, ruthless man vs deps character which was to sweet, stoned an over done. I'm amazed that all you discribed you ladies see....!

sorry dont get it..whats the big thing about barbossa? Understanding that deps character was for laughs, is it because he acts mentally sharp and ruthless?

now that you mention it christine, i'd venture he's making sure the deck was scrubbed clean.......

actually heres a good pic i found browsing the web of the monkey, I got a kick outta him in the movie poc

so theres a sequel to the original movie? whats the name of it? coming out as a rental? I hope they concentrate on whats known about piracy vs comical characters such as deps. there was a pirate that talked with depps character in the jail that seemed to fit the bill as its understood. Dont know if he had a name. For me thats a more interesting characterization and very well portrayed.

just to inform you all about a short clip at the very end of the credits is a monkey swimming to the treasure chest. theres a corpse there flashing momentarily...who is it? anyone got a pic of him to id it? its it the capt'n? or one of the other dead? had to take the movie back to the rv rental so cant look at it again. thanks

I was never of a mind that this movie portrayed pirate activity in its true form or what is understood it to be, yet pirate capitians were thrown over for different leaders. even mutany is a form off voting someone out of his/her postion, just forcefully. there are exceptions to this though. Movies always carry the baggage of interptation. deps involvement was to entice the younger audience an i think he went over the edge and became a cartoon. while i think barbossa was estentially correct for atire and attitude. I spent many weeks when i was younger livng in a remote pirate hangout and talking at night around camp fires with natives that pass on tales of what the pirates were like an treasure tales. Seems the capts. were ruthlessly brutal yet fair to some with their crew. and garb could run the extreme. In a tropical saltwater environment your clothing tends to disintergrate and you get realy ragged around the edges..some a my clothes were nothing more than rags. i was accused of looking pirate like though a pirate i'm not. then jungle drove me out. being an old guy seems to have stuck with me, still a bit ragged an worn out. barbossa does seem to fit the pirate as it is presently understood. even with its flaws it was an interesting movie.

christine how does one go about getting audio comments of the movie. i'd be interested in hereing what was said. also i cant relate to the sexy thing an what that implys about barbossa but i'd a preferred him knocking off depp in the movie instead a the other way around, so i guess thats a kinda affection lol.

barrossa reminds me of the Chevalier de Grammont who was a very notable pirate capitan on Roatan and Island De Aves. Yet I one can see composite similarites. I personally would find a movie about him and the black pearl in the preceeding ten year time frame to poc. extremely interesting. also bruckhumer would be making a mistake not to reprise/reserect him in the next film. his obvious air of malice and dread diffinately counter act the sugary sweetness of depp (leaves a bad taste on the tongue). this geophry rush is a tremendous actor to carry of such a difficult role. bravo to him. like his pistol also, fits him well.

I rented the movie POC with john depp. Interesting spin on the pirate. Depps caracter was off base but the fellow that played barbossa actually true to his word in all manners and was a better actor. they( depp and barbossa) even had an accord at the end which depp broke. So whats the attraction to such a miscrete as depp? I must be missing something. Seems to me barbossa was a composition of several pirates.

Many outlaws did in fact bury treasure, there were many reasons for this.. I can't speak to drug dealers or those involed in modern crime white collar or other criminal activities. obviously not all criminals squander tainted money or many off shore banks would have no business. Police constantly confiscate large sums of money from dealers, houses cars to cash. the very act of laundering money is in fact hiding it for later recovery. Whether Pirates may have rarely or commonly buried plunder, will most likely never be known. Some people think it was more often than not, but they did engage in the act at least once. Nothing more can i say. thanks for all the views and great discussion on the subject.

of course B. Roberts did extremely well, purhaps more so than Morgan or teach. Black ceasar was said to have done very well indeed. Drake did so well that it staggers the imagination , even he was reputed to have hidden some of it. Huge sums of gold, silver and precious jems were shipped by the spanish from the americas and some very rich prizes were plundered. On bellamy's ship whydah, pure gold african idols were cut up to distribute to the crew. Of Course the capts, officers etc would have reaped such rewards in greater number. Not one to impune the experts, never, but not all pirate life is known due to its secrecy, that what is considered solid will of course change as more is learned. Consider this, captured plunder was a two edged sword, one edge being instant gratifing wealth and the other a difficult liability. Pirates have been known to plunder weaker pirates, privateers and warships also presented problems. What better way to deal with fortuna than to hide that which was not neccessary at a given time. Ships themself offered no real security but a calm bay to carreen your ship, away from prying eyes and communally bank your excess gain would fit the bill. metal and wooden chests were used and in some an Identifing item was left, engraved spoons were used. Some were simply stacked silver bars melted from coin or other larger bars. Smelters can be found close by where slag silver, gold and lead is found. pistol and rifle shot is there as well as reminent weapons and ship rigging. my humble views of course.

I agree that those that did hide plunder intended to recovery it as well. Morgan, after his raid on portabello had reportedly buried some of it. He also left piracy for a time and bought land in jamaca and built a house there. teache did the same in near the nc outer banks. It was'nt like they had banking to rely on. many never got the chance to recovery what they hid. Going back to my orginal premise, the prevailing academic thought is that pirates never buried plunder, is flatly ignoring human nature and history. Pegging a cashe to anyone particular pirate i think is quite difficult, but it certainly happened . augusta was a pirate town founded a run by pirates. Treasure chests have been found there along the one of the east walls. Many such cashes exist waiting to be recovered.

Most of the notions of pirates as drunken & squandering louts seem to be movie ideals. from the eariest films to the present day with POC..I have'nt seen it but its based on the ride i think. These were extremely wily shrewd men in desparate times and knew well and good that criminal behavior would be their doom. So it stands to reason that banking money for a life after piracy would be in their best interest, sort of getting out while the getting was good in style. So the various piracy writers are just perpetuating the movie concept and what other writers have said. Of course there were exceptions, after all, all cultures have their party animals..Pirates too I suspect, but not to the deteriment of their endevours. What capitan would allow that? Examples of communal pirate banks(cave systems) have been found in Haiti, scsheles and possibly Jamica. Roatan and Grand Caiman have some that are alleged. Treasure has been recovered from some of these systems. Barry clifford found a cannon on the whydah that was lead sealed with treasure most likely about to be hidden but the ship sunk before that could happen. That's not the only treasure cannon thats been found, in effect buried treasure. Even today's pirates, all you fine people here, have some "plunder" banked away in checking and savings accts. Your brethern of old were no different. robert

I just finished reading under the black flag and it was noted in the book that Pirates were rarely documented as hidding plunder by the academia. few if any records exist that this happened, kidd is mentioned. Now where on earth did they get that idea from? The history of humans is one of coveting and hiding items that appeal to them. Theres not a city in the world that does'nt have many buried treasures. Pirates would have had the same drives from the capt'n to the lowest deckhand. I dont buy the image of squandering all the spoils in port. Now granted much of the treasure was in the form of goods but those could and were sold to become coin. The facts speak otherwise, small to large chest bound cashes of period coins have been found in the caribbean Islands. Roatan Island as one example , which I've wandered, has given up small to large cashes, particularlly in Augusta city, was big time pirate hang out. The pirate Henery Morgan was documented to frequent Port Royal and Augusta. You'd have to see it with your own eyes to know that the academics are have it wrong.