Jeff MacKay

I heard from Captain Quicksilver last night and he says AYE!

I agree, lets keep the name and make it our own. I do like the "Honorable Order..."as Captian Williby suggested. I apologize to those of you who have been stirred up. I am remiss that I did not look up the name back when nominated, at the time, I was just very happy to be nominated among such outstanding, established and honored Pirates as yourselves. So I looked it up yesterday, and was a bit surprised. That's all. Obviously from the responses of some, you also had not looked it up. Huzzah to those of you who had, you are obviously a tad sharper than the rest of us. lol "why are you only asking this question/doing this web search now?" indeed! I didn't realize there was a time limit on educating oneself... As I said numerous times, I was just opening this up for our Order to discuss, and so we have. In a way this was a small test, and we heard (in one form or another from over half of our brethren within half a day...pretty quickly given how busy we all are. All in favor of keeping the name the same, say AYE Talderoy AYE (very resounding aye!) Captain Greene AYE Cascabel AYE Stynky Tudor Aye Margot la Merchante AYE John Sterling AYE MacKay AYE Braze Quicksilver Willoughby Caught Jamie Bellows Captain Black AYE Captain MacLeod Sea Wolf Stone

With regards to property of Pirates magazine: See the above for Kim Cross's email and here is Dave Nichols' All, Suggest that we not bring up the little known Satanic order to the world (since we have been promoting The Order of Leviathan for over a year now), and instead, slowly transition it into something else. Also suggest that we keep the initials "O.L." since the rings and logo are already made. How about if we start to call our group The Order of Legend (the entire name being - The Order of Legendary Pirates). This has a cool ring to it. We could also, in the magazine and among ourselves, simple call it The Order or The Pirates' Order. On the other hand, I too, just Googled the Order of The Leviathan (the Satanic one) and believe it is rather obscure and think it not likely that we will be confused with them in any way. Did you know there is also a Devil's Dozen? They were a one percenter outlaw motorcycle club, now extinct. There was also a film entitled The Devil's Dozen. You can't second guess everything in life, nothing would ever get done. I believe our usage of both The Devil' Dozen and Order of Leviathan is fresh, new and will not cause any problems, both legal or moral. Should you wish to change it, I'm good with it. I think I might just start calling it The Order of Larry (the one armed, one eyed pirate mentioned fleetingly in POTC III). Dave Nichols Editor Pirates Magazine <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">

Not trying to stir things up. If anything this may be the first test of how our Order will function. I'm just opening this for discussion and I'm glad to see our members responding so quickly. What Stynky says is true. Set not Satan, however read their Order's stated Purpose: "Purpose of the Order The Order of Leviathan is dedicated towards articulating, apprehending, and ... understanding the Mind and Will of the Prince of Darkness, and His Mandate to us. As such, the Order acts as a focus for personal initiation of its members... in that it seeks to take those concepts that we discover and convert them into operant techniques, approaches, and methods for self-directed evolution. ..., the Order of Leviathan presents itself as the explicitly religious core of the Temple of Set, uniting a rigorous application of Reason with a Willed Assent to the idea of an objective end for which humans were designed, a purpose underlying the bestowal of the Gift by Set, a transcendent destiny for Setians as the agents of the Black Flame ( Satan)." Do we want this association? Kim Cross, Pirates mag sent me this "Dear Jeff,I agree with you. I have had random phone calls to the magazine asking me about this very thing. It would be unfair for anyone to make assumptions about the name when those in the Order are such good people. And it is early enough. Thoughts? Kim I look forward to your continued opinions. I think I will go to bed now, this has been bugging me and I've been up all night researching and looking for answers, maybe it's my latent High Episcopal up bringing. My apologies if I am unduly stressing out my brethren. - MacKay

I agree with that. I am sure that none of my brethren here, meant anything by choosing the name, and that any coincidence is just that a coincidence. However, it IS an unfortunate one. I personally do not like that when you do a search engine search of the name all that you get is information like the above. It will take a little time before OUR Order of The Leviathan is public enough to top the google search, unless we actively start to make Our ORder of The Leviathan more public. More talk of it, and more interest, more messages, more facebooking, more advertising more images of the logo posted, etc... this is the way search engines and social media work. We will need to be proactive IF we want to keep the name and OVERRIDE the group who has previous claim ( and search engine ranking) to it. Just some thoughts.

I find myself having to read up on the temple of set, and setians, to try to get a handle on this.... and the differences in theistic Santanism and Sentianism. YIKES! I just wanted to be a Pirate Lord!

Ahoy my brethren. I have a question for all of you. Does anyone know who decided on the name for our order? Just for fun I typed "Order of The Leviathan" into google search. What I found was possibly a little alarming. I found that there already is an organization with this title. It appears to be a sect of Satan Worshipers formed in 1982. http://www.xeper.org/oleviathan/ "As such, the Order acts as a focus for personal initiation of its members in particular and, by extension, the Temple of Set as a whole, in that it seeks to take those concepts that we discover and convert them into operant techniques, approaches, and methods for self-directed evolution. Through this approach, and because of our use of the Inspired Texts, the Order of Leviathan presents itself as the explicitly religious core of the Temple of Set, uniting a rigorous application of Reason with a Willed Assent to the idea of an objective end for which humans were designed, a purpose underlying the bestowal of the Gift by Set, a transcendent destiny for Setians as the agents of the Black Flame. Our History Leviathan appears as a monstrous primordial sea-creature in the Old Testament’s oldest known work, the Book of Job. The serpent or dragon image resonates throughout the world, touching other cultures and peoples: among them, Apep of the Egyptians, Tiamat of the Akkado-Sumerians, the Greek Typhon, the Midgard Serpent in Norse mythology, and the belief in “dragon currents” in Chinese cosmology. The common universal elements of this Serpentine Archetype - power, wisdom, renewal/rebirth, and liberation - led to its incorporation into the teachings of the Pre-Christian Gnostics and Hermeticists from which the Medieval/Renaissance magicians received their inspiration. Leviathan’s hold over Black Magicians has been a strong one. Its name ringed the Baphomet used by the Church of Satan as the serpent that encircled and defined the Goat of Mendes. Medieval grimoires name Leviathan as one of the greatest Princes of Hell. The Order of Leviathan was one of the Temple of Set’s earliest Orders, created in the year XVII (1982) by Magister James Lewis, when then-High Priest Ronald K. Barrett decided that Masters of the Temple should found orders to focus their teaching. It has grown and developed through the intervening years, and from studying its principles, Magus James Lewis Uttered the Word “Remanifest.” In XXXI (1996), Magister Michael Kelly became the Order’s second Grand Master. In XXXV (2000), the office of Grand Master passed to Magister Bruce Ware. The Order examines the deepest origins of Leviathan, seeking further comprehension of the Dragon’s archetypal aspects and their relationship to Remanifestation, using as our prime resource the “Statement of Leviathan” found in The Diabolicon. There, Leviathan describes itself as the “Principle of Continuity and Ageless Existence.” Leviathan thus serves as our link to the concepts of immortality and to the primordial forces that pre-existed the creation of the ordered universe, the “zoe” – the chaotic and dynamic seed of life. Our Approach What sort of Setian initiate would pursue the Quest in this fashion, rather than choosing another Order and method? The OL offers a unique approach to Xeper: The Adept Black Magician explores and seeks to apprehend supra-rational concepts (and their supporting universal principles) of “Being” and “Becoming” that must be translated and applied in a no-nonsense manner to the Objective Universe. Thus, the Order of Leviathan holds that the Word “Remanifestation” is critical to the accomplishment of the Aeonic Formula: “Xepera Xeper Xeperu.” That is, without Remanifestation, the idea of becoming is an abstraction – one without the necessary context of demonstrating to the Objective Universe the essential fact that Xeper has occurred, that “something” in the Initiating Being has changed. We Remanifest the sense of Self that is the core Identity. We Remanifest the power of our essential humanity through the expression of the Gift of Set – the capacity or potential called Intelligence that humans alone possess. We Remanifest the development of the personal will that leads to the expanded and exalted vitality of a prolonged life, and the survival of biological death as an integrated and unique individual consciousness – what we know as Immortality. Because the Initiate working in the Leviathanite mode does so much work on the frontiers of the supra-rational, we are committed to the critical importance of the development of a well-educated and well-trained mind. The Order of Leviathan has created the Setian Academy as a necessary first step for Setians desiring to work within the Order. Further, since we believe that Setians of all degrees would benefit from such an educational and training curriculum, the Setian Academy is also open to Initiates who are not members of the Order. The link below will take you to its Mission Statement, and is the gateway for further exploration of the Setian Academy." I think I have an issue with this. Please check it out for yourselves. I invite your thoughts and comments. -MacKay

Stynky and other members of the order, Please bear with me. Is this the "public" or "private" forum for our the Order? I'd like to start a dialog about something , but do not want it seen by those outside the Order. Thanks -MacKay