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Thought you'd all like it =o)

Okay this is just my thoughts on the hats on the woodcuts; Tricorns/Cocked Hats are just a bitch to draw from certain angles and even more of a bugger to carve =o), colour/shading helps makes perspective work. But... La Belle Strasbourgeoise by Nicolas De Largilliere, 1703 Outfit in Strasbourg Museum Definately a athwarts bicorn =o/

Tokens(locally produced 'currancy'), jettons and gaming pieces........ like shingle on a beach, but admitting that won't sell TV progs =o/ For a good overview on Mother of Pearl gambling tokens (We'd prob'ly call'em chips these days) this chap http://chezbill.com/ is very good, obsessed but then no more than we are about different stuff. Ditto about tokens http://www.tokensoci....uk/index.shtml And a random selection of tokens, jettons and gaming/gambling pieces I wonder what a future society will think these were for Only joking =o) But I remember playing poker using these and matchsticks, a McD stirrer was worth 10 matchsticks.

Downloads of selected sections from it about Pirates and nautical crimes here http://www.exclassic...ate/ngcontf.htm And this site has a few refs too, http://www.executedtoday.com/ look on the right and in the categories box pull up 17th or 18thC, it also has a bit for pirates http://www.executedtoday.com/category/who/pirates/

The y being a replacement for thorn, Þ the Anglo Saxon/Scandi character for th. A lead shortage in the end of the 16thC means that printers stop having the thorn cast and use a y instead coz everyone knows 'things*' are the never ye, a habit that carries right through to the early 19thC then we forget =o/ As Foxe says in writing the y is used as a contraction for th so yn = then ym = them often with the last letter in, to use modern formtting speek, superscript with a dot under it * eg a pub called Ye Olde Belle is pronounced The Old Bell, the extra e is a form of 'glottal stop' that turns up, whilst people still are writing phonetically, it's a softly voiced singy songy extra eh that rocks up in some UK dialect/accents.

Some and some, the one above is made to be worn under a coat which is why the embroidery stops at the shoulder and forearm, no point tarting it up if no-one will see it. Some waistcoats it's even more noticeable in that the back section, which is covered by the coat, is of cheaper cloth and the more expensive fancy bits at the front on show. Often the lining is similar, more 'spensive inside fronts and 'tails' cheaper flannel at the back and inside sleeves.

The cart journey was a common thing for big cities certainly, some took a winding route stopping at pubs for gin or porter for the 'star' of the show. To stop the agony of a long strangulation some would leap from the cart or ladder in an effort to snap their neck and on other occasions a number of friends would grab onto and swing from the ....victim (is the wrong word but it'll have to do) to speed up death. Account of Turpin's journey in Yorl '39 (Nasty wee bugger he was) he was taken from the York castle's condemned cell and driven in a horse drawn cart through the imposing gateway of the castle and along Castlegate. Crowds would line the route as they made their way over Ouse Bridge, the only road bridge across the river at that time. Along Ousegate and continuing up the steep slope of Micklegate, they would have driven through Micklegate bar and onto Blossom Street, The Mount, and finally to the Knavesmire, the site of the gallows.......... He carried himself with much dignity to the last and, after speaking a few words, he turned and threw himself from the ladder and died after a few minutes. In '24 Sheppard's procession halted at the City of Oxford tavern on Oxford Street, where Sheppard drank a pint of sack. More Hogarth, an etching from Industry and Idleness The Idle 'Prentice Executed at Tyburn

Then there's the do you call it a sleeved waistcoat or is it working man's jacket question Sleeved waistcoat 1710-20 in the V&A and a yellow silk waistcoat from 1730s Another from the 1730's with embroidery designed to peep out from the coat sleeves dancing bloke in Jacket, I think (but then it's prob'ly more of a ven diagram than seperate boxes)

Pretty sure it's not a waistcoat, looking at the other pics of it on the site it has the collar, small turnback cuff, rear vents, skirts and back details of a mid to late 18thC coat.

Found another inside pocket, again's a bit later but an existing piece in Porvoo Museum, Swashbuckler that's up your way any picture of nice things for us from there? From http://www.fashioningtheearlymodern.ac.uk/workshops/workshop-2/workshop-2-photos/ description is, 'A selection of clothing items from the Porvoo museum’s clothing and textile collection is shown below:' and near the bottom 1750's coat with inside pocket which judging by the curve on the CF seam is nipple height. Sorry they're so teeny but the big'uns are protected.

Drifting OT to amputees (One of they moderator types couls split it off if they fancied) Greenwich Pensioner (Naval Hospital) both late 18th early 19thC Prosthetic noses 17th or 18thC Science Museum London 17thC false hand science museum More stuff that may be of interest to Barber Surgeon types here http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/onlinestuff/museum_objects/science_and_art_of_medicine.aspx

There's another, soldier this time judging by his redcoat, in the voting scene of the same set with what could be a hook on his left hand but shhhhhh we don't want that info getting out ;o) 3 of 4 The Polling May as well have the set, 1 0f 4 An Election Entertainment 2 of 4 Canvassing for Votes Got to see the set and loads of other Hogarth paintings at the Tate a few years back, the detail is amazing and prob'ly all hidden(To us now at least) messages and politics.

Doh, just noticed he's an inside pocket on each side, he's being pickpocketed or having evidence planted in his LH (as we look) one.

Could be just that, a cocked hat with a red crown but I've never come across mentions of different coloured crown in all my hat research(which is quite a bit) plus it's on a sailor, me I'm not leaning one way or t'other just flagging it up as a possible. Both are red cockades, the other candidate's supporters wear a blue one, the red and blue cockades are a common theme in all 4 of the Election Series. In Hogarth it's not just sailors who carry cudgels/heavy walking sticks, they are the 'weapon of choice' of a lot of his country and poor folk, in fact cudgeling was a common past-time/sport in the late 17thC & 18thC the basic idea being to draw an inch of blood, for a win. From a newspaper of June 1721 about the Broughton Green Fair "the Earl of Stafford has been pleas'd to give a hat, Value one Guinea, to be play'd for on Monday at Cudgels........" Other entertainments were wrestling, horse racing and a ladies smock race. an excuse for blokes to see women running in their shifts in the hope that one would fall and flash her bits =o)

I always wondered if the red crown on the hat worn by the peglegged sailor in the foreground of Hogarth's Chairing The Member was one of these red faced leather caps.....'s odd, a white laced black brim but a red crown, heigh ho! Clicking on the pic should bring up a hoooooge version.

*Authodalek THAT IS WRONG! NOT PERIOD CORRECT! EXTERMINATE!

I went for the Glasse, which for 'authodaleks*' is a wee bit late coz I already had it typed up, bit lazy of me I know but variations on a theme, "You say ponado, I say panada etc" go back into the 16thC, possibly earlier, it shares lots of ingredients and process with muddyevil dishes like paynfoundew Luigi Cornaro (1464-1566), a Venetian nob', wrote in his book 'How to Live 100 Years, or Discourses on the Sober Life' O,how advantageous it is to an old man to eat but little; therefore I take but just enough to keep body and soul together, and the things I eat are as follows: bread, panado, eggs (the yolk), and soups. Not all are bread based The Cooks Guide: Or, Rare Receipts for Cookery, 1654 To make Penado. Take oatmeal clean picked, steep it in water all night, then strain the water clean from it, and boyle that water in a pipkin, with a blade of mace and some currans; when it is well boyled put in the yolks of two or three eggs beaten with sack, a little salt and as much sugar as you shall think fit, then stir it over a soft fire that it curd not till you think it be enough. Back to GAoP period bready slop, Varenne has a couple in 'The French Cook' in the chapter called Meat Juices and Stocks suitable for serving to the Sick. Panada Get bouillon and fine breadcrumbs, and boil them well together.Towards the end, put in egg yolks, very little salt and lemon juice and a more meaty based one Another Panada Get well choppd up capon or partridge meat, beat it well in a mortar, then moisten with bouillon-that is bouillon from the cooking pot- and a little breadcrumbs and salt. When it has simmered, mix in a few egg yolks to thicken it, and lemon Juice Bob May's version in The Accomplished Cook is more curranty(Dried Greek grapes not members of the Ribo family) Panado's Boil fair water in a skillet, put to it grated bread or cakes, good store of currans, mace, whole(?) cinnamon: being almost boil'd and indifferent thick, put in some sack or white wine, sugar, some strained yolks of eggs. Otherways with slic'd bread, water, currans, and mace, and being well boil'd, put in some sugar, white wine, and butter. Sounds like a naff version of me Grannies bread pudding which was, and still is when I cook it, a thick, ribsticker of a dish,a slice is ideal with a big mug of tea. Soak 1/2lb of old bread in milk for half hour or so, squeeze to mush then remix with milk made up to halfpint, 3oz sugar 2oz each of currants and raisins 2oz melted butter 1egg and some nutmeg or mace. Pour into a greased tin and bake at 150°c or about 300°f until a knife comes out clean, 'tween 45mins to an hour+ 'pending on oven.

He prob'ly means panada/panado, which can be just a bread gruel Shhhh Jen, you'll blow my genial bumbling eejit cover =o) To Make Panada You must take a quart of water in a nice clean sauce-pan, a blade of mace, a large piece of crumb of bread; let it boil two minutes; then take out the bread, and bruise it in a bason very fine. Mix as much water as will make it thick as you will have;the rest pour away, and sweeten it to your palate. Put in a piece of butter as big as a walnut; do not put in any wine, it spoils it: you may grate in a little nutmeg. This is hearty and good diet for sick people. but there are sweet versions that add some or all of madeira, canary(wine not small yellow birds), sack and cream, currants, cinnamon or savoury where boil the bread with onion and peppercorns, and add cream yaddayaddayadda. Bob May, Hannah Glasse, Raffald and several others have versions.

[Moderation note: This topic was split from waistcoats with sleeves or without ?] Pockets inside a coat!? You heathen Nah, just joshing you, actually, the main protaganist in Hogarth's Cruelty In Perfection has his pistol in an inside pocket.

Not forgetting the figurehead

AND the ship is on display at M Shed in Bristol http://bristolculture.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/the-pirates-pirate-ship-sails-into-m-shed/ Link to M Shed (Brizzel moozeeeum) http://mshed.org/

Exactly and we have , counting this one, one pic of straw trics. So straw trics should'nt be common at reconstructions. It's one of the things that often goes awry when representing history be it in modern, film, illustrations, re-enactment, etc is the making the common uncommon and the rare common. Folded girly hat circa 1730 not a tricorn, but then the different perspective/side view makes that obvious, it the woman was painted from the front I think we'd be discussing women wearing straw tricorns =o) The Curds and Whey Seller c.1730, in The Museum of London

Teeny pic of 'Sweet William' aka Duke of Cumberland note if you can see them the laces on the two visible sides The cockade loop is a seperate bit of lace or cord sewn behind the 'cock' usually but not always on the wearers left and held with a button used to 'contain' the cockade You can see that it's a separate thang to the rather thin cocking laces on this hat. And this'un

Pretty sure one was in the Museum of London.... Looked at far too many hats over the last few years, occupational hazard of living with a hat maker. Visiting family at the mo, hence the iPad (little sister's not mine) I'll be back with my books this evening so I'll try and remember to do it then, though there are several bottles of very nice 7.5% cider than urgently need my attention %) hic!

Keep your pipe in a treen pipe case, I'd post images but I can't work out how to do it using this borrowed iPad. Image search for "clay pipe case" or treen clay pipe case, idea whittling project for a bored sailor =o) Cocking laces are certainly in use on military and civilian hats from the 2nd quarter of the 18thC, right at the end of GAoP and can be laces(like bootlaces) ribbons or tapes, showing up usually as a pair of parallel lines, occasionally ,well I know of one surviving example, as three. The stiffening in hats today is shellac(prob'ly not period but they used some sort of gum resin or starch to do it) and it breaks down in sunlight heat and moisture so without laces yer titfer'll go all droopy, not a pretty sight. Often they match the hat, certainly by 'The end of The SevenYears War British infantry hats had laces the same colour as the edging, usually white. Once I get to my 'puter rather than this flashy but pointless piece of tech bling I'll nail up some pics. And don't get me started on leather tricorns...........