Carolina Buccaneer Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 I found this while searching the web for the true Jolly Roger's, thought all ye Pirate's would like to see this, I thought it was very interesting. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...ire/6222054.stm Wales Produced more Pirates per mile of coastline than any other European country. Dafydd Meirion, author of "Welsh Pirates" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nice article...shame the piece isn't from the Golden Age... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Buccaneer Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nice article...shame the piece isn't from the Golden Age... I thought the same here, I saw the date 1780, oh well, not the Golden Age 1690 to 1720, but close, but like you said, an interesting artical. Wales Produced more Pirates per mile of coastline than any other European country. Dafydd Meirion, author of "Welsh Pirates" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchman Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 well isn't that cool. did you notice how its hanging? banner style as opposed to flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Nice bit of work. I like the fact that the flag is such a simple design. No black hearts, no hour glasses, no crossed swords, etc. And of course, I love the color! ...schooners, islands, and maroons and buccaneers and buried gold... You can do everything right, strictly according to procedure, on the ocean, and it'll still kill you. But if you're a good navigator, a least you'll know where you were when you died.......From The Ship Killer by Justin Scott. "Well, that's just maddeningly unhelpful."....Captain Jack Sparrow Found in the Ruins — Unique Jewelry Found in the Ruins — Personal Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Souris Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Out of period for GAoP or not....still very spiff. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyBarbossa Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Tis intreguing indeed. Most intregued with the skull and bones... they seem shaded unless that's just by time. Did I miss this, or did it state that the skull and bones were applied to one side? Would be fantastic to have a look see at these pirate colours nonetheless. GAoP or not... it's still a period piece and desires some careful study! Heck, no different than the Colours that Tarleton captured and was recently up for auction! Priceless pieces they all are. ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan Atwood Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Saw an interesting article about a recovered 200+ red pirate flag. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074868/Rare-red-Jolly-Roger-pirate-flag-captured-battle-north-Africa-230-years-ago-goes-display-time.html I have come across so many thoughts on the subject of pirate flags, including theories on the "known" pirate flags being fakes from the 19th century. Most of the pirate flags I have read about in primary sources just say pirate flag or black flag. Wondering what the thoughts on the pub were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 http://www.bonaventure.org.uk/ed/flags.htm there is some quite good information... I have often come accors a black flag with "dead's head" meaning skull About the red flag it is not propably real at all Foxe can explain why... "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP. If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including: The Jolly Roger Flags and the Death's Head "Memento Mori" The Jolly Roger in popular literature - Examining modern pirate flags History of the Jolly Roger - Discussion of a web-based version of the history featuring lots of Templar nonsense Flags: Black vs. RED - Discussion of red and black flags and the 'jolie rouge' theory Rare Crimson Jolly Roger Restored - this very thread about an alleged red pirate flag Pyrate Mythory - Discussion of Foxe's pirate flags page. BLACK!! - Some bits of "How to" for those interested in making a PC flag Captain Kidd's Flag - Or not Flags for POTC - Striving to make an historical-like flag for the Disney movies Union Jack (OK, this has nothing to do with pirate flags, but it's interesting anyhow.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan Atwood Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Thank you gentlemen. I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP. If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including: The Jolly Roger Flags and the Death's Head "Memento Mori" The Jolly Roger in popular literature - Another most interesting thread History of the Jolly Roger - A history featuring lots of Templar nonsense Flags: Black vs. RED - Discussion of the 'jolie rouge' terminology Pyrate Mythory - Foxe talking about his new pirate flags page. Captain Kidd's Flag - Or not Union Jack (OK, this has nothing to do with pirate flags, but it's interesting anyhow.) Flags for POTC - Striving to make an historical-like flag for the Disney movies BLACK!! - Some bits of "How to" for those interested in making a PC flag The red flag can really be fake there is many details that don't seem right.. "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan Atwood Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP. If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including: It may be real, but it's 70 years or so past the GAoP. If you're seeking info on authentic flags, Swashbuckler 1700 has what is probably the most concise resource - Foxe's website. If you want to go digging, you can find several topics around here on the subject including: The Jolly Roger Flags and the Death's Head "Memento Mori" The Jolly Roger in popular literature - Another most interesting thread History of the Jolly Roger - A history featuring lots of Templar nonsense Flags: Black vs. RED - Discussion of the 'jolie rouge' terminology Pyrate Mythory - Foxe talking about his new pirate flags page. Captain Kidd's Flag - Or not Union Jack (OK, this has nothing to do with pirate flags, but it's interesting anyhow.) Flags for POTC - Striving to make an historical-like flag for the Disney movies BLACK!! - Some bits of "How to" for those interested in making a PC flag The red flag can really be fake there is many details that don't seem right.. I am no expert on flags, so what looks wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) In google search I found this forum http://www.forums.py....php?f=19&t=209 Edited March 3, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 The flag in the Daily Mail article has recently been discussed here: https://pyracy.com/index.php/topic/18467-sword-on-flag-question/ My thoughts on pirate flags could run to many many pages (see my posts in Mission's links above!), but my over-riding thought is this: taking all of the period references to pirate flags together, the most common device was easily the good ol' skull and cross bones. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) This goes under this tread: R. Platt's book "Pirate" (one of those good books and easy to read) says that there was sailmaker widow that sewed pirate flags for brandy pay. This was in nasssau. But is this just a story? If there truth in it it could explain why so many of those nassau pirates's flags were quite similar (if she sewed similar flags). At least John Taylor, Sam Bellamy, John Martel and Edward England all used classic desing with skull and bones. I am interested also which pirate flags were described by victims. I think that Wynne's flag and england's flag were both described by victims but is there much more. To give some comfort I post some real flag desings to to brighten up this thread's look. All of these should have somekind of period mention but that is the style 100% autentic it is unlikely. B. Roberts' Ed. Low's E. Wynne's Ed. England's Edited March 5, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I've never come across a period reference to the Nassau widow I'm afraid, or even any other modern reference. Emmanuel Wynne's flag was described by a Royal Navy officer, I forget who described England's, but I think it was one of the officers of the East India Company ship Cassandra. Other pirates known to have flown the skull and cross bones or a simple variant include Blackbeard, Thomas Cocklyn and others Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I've never come across a period reference to the Nassau widow I'm afraid, or even any other modern reference. Emmanuel Wynne's flag was described by a Royal Navy officer, I forget who described England's, but I think it was one of the officers of the East India Company ship Cassandra. Other pirates known to have flown the skull and cross bones or a simple variant include Blackbeard, Thomas Cocklyn and others I find it funny that often books like many gordingly's and others say someting like "classical skull and cross bones were used only by some pirates but it was not only style in Jolly Rogers"(or at least they deemphasize the classic tsyle's popularity) and in fact it was really one of the most common desings but not only one. I have done only some study over the years and really most common flags were skull and bones, just a skull or some anatomys or skeletons... That nassau story can be real but we will newver know... Oh and it was Cassandra's officers who described England's J Roger. Edited April 5, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Trueblood Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) Rare 18th century red Jolly Roger pirate flag goes on public display for first time http://www.mirror.co...ed-jolly-281981 Edited April 5, 2012 by Capt. Trueblood Capt. Jacobus Trueblood The Sloop Adventure "The tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I merged the above post with this one since they're about the same thing. Just to keep things tidy, you know. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Trueblood Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Well, Mission, you could have just deleted it! Typical me, I thought I had found something new, only to find an entire thread discussing it! Capt. Jacobus Trueblood The Sloop Adventure "The tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Flat out deleting someone's thread always seems sort of harsh to me. It makes the poster wonder what they did wrong. The title of this thread is pretty broad, even though it started off being about the very same thing. One of these days I am going to stitch [hah!] all the generic flag threads together so that there is only one easy-to-find thread on the topic. (I will not do this with threads on a specific point about flags, just the generic ones.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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