Captain Midnight Posted December 4, 2006 Author Posted December 4, 2006 So maybe three functional buttons on each one, or do you think that would be too much? "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
kass Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 No, I think three is a very good number, Midnight. Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
Captain Midnight Posted December 4, 2006 Author Posted December 4, 2006 Thanks Kass! Well, what I have in the planning stages so far is a mid-thigh length coat with no collar, plain and simple straight, buttoned cuffs, two exterior pockets with scalloped edges and buttoned with three buttons, and split in the back. Does this sound pretty close for a sailor's coat? (Not an issued ASC jacket, but a privately made one). "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
kass Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Very appropriate I'd say, Midnight my friend. Sounds not unlike the jacket worn by the guy on the armourial bearings of Lord Alymer (granted 1718): Picture courtesy of Ed Foxe's Mariners of the Golden Age of Piracy site Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
Captain Midnight Posted December 4, 2006 Author Posted December 4, 2006 Yup, that's the one I chose out of all the ones shown on Foxe's site. "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
kass Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 It's a good 'un. :) You're gonna post pictures of this fabu jacket when you're done, right? Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
Captain Midnight Posted December 4, 2006 Author Posted December 4, 2006 Of course I will! One of these days soon, I will try to post a photo of meself...all this time I've been a member of the pub, and I still havn't posted a photo...but I wanted to get my stuff right first. "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
Patrick Hand Posted December 6, 2006 Posted December 6, 2006 We were talking about something like this at PiP.... But during the American Civil War, the Confederacy would cut out all the parts for "Richmond Depot Shell jackets", and then send them out te be sewn.... Even with the fabric pre-cut.... there were still many variations in the shell jackets...... Just a thought.... That is the picture that I used when I made my slops contract jacket... I used two buttons on each cuff, as in the picture... then the other 11 up the front. In the picture I didn't see any on the pocket flaps..... So I figured they had to be up the front....... (OK... so all 11 arn't shown in the picture........) I did make scalloped pocket flaps (just not as extream as in the picture...) and they stay closed (down) without buttons........
Captain Midnight Posted December 6, 2006 Author Posted December 6, 2006 Yeah, that's the one I'm going with, too, Patrick. Except I will probably use three buttons at the cuffs and three buttons on the pockets---I just like the way it looks. Mine will not adhere to the ASC so strictly, but will be representative of a privately purchased and civilian-made sailor's jacket. (not to mention it will be green, rather than grey). I will probably also make the pocket flaps shaped exactly like the picture... I know you've posted pics of yours elsewhere in the pub, but can you post them again here, since this is our new "short jacket" thread? "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
Patrick Hand Posted December 6, 2006 Posted December 6, 2006 Here is a picture of the finished jacket.... The Sleeves The lining The outside
Captain Midnight Posted December 6, 2006 Author Posted December 6, 2006 Patrick, that is truly beautiful work! I want mine to look almost exactly like that, except for the couple of extra buttons I mentioned... Did you make your own pattern, or use one of Kass'? "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
Patrick Hand Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 I drafted my own pattern, it's modified from the tailors pattern of a justicorp on GoF's web page.....
Captain Midnight Posted December 7, 2006 Author Posted December 7, 2006 Is it hard to draft a pattern to fit yourself, Patrick? I've never tried it, and I'm a pretty large man. I stand 6'-4" and weigh 220 lbs. Would it be hard to adapt it to my size? I have the Simplicity "Jack Sparrow" coat pattern that I was going to modify for mine... "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
kass Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 You could just buy the Reconstructing History Sailor's Jacket Pattern. We've already done the sizing for you. Plus you could read quotes from the original Admiralty Slop Contracts, get information on extant jackets from the time period, and all sorts of stuff. :) And support a fellow Pub member... Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
Captain Midnight Posted December 7, 2006 Author Posted December 7, 2006 Kass, I would absolutely love to have your pattern for the jacket, unfortunately, with it being so close to Christmas and with kids to buy for, I am pretty strapped right now. Perhaps after New Year's I can do something better... :) "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
kass Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Buy goodies for the kids, Midnight. RH705 will be here in January too. Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
doctor syn Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Ok...My jacket,otherwise much the same...Doesn't have pockets at all!Have I committed an unforgivable sin? Steve
Fox Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Bloody hell Steve! Been chatting to you here and never realised it was you. Still, I suppose "Dr Syn" has always been a moniker to preserve anonymity. No, these short jackets are very often seen without pockets in the pictures. The only time you need pockets is if you're specifically trying to reconstruct the Slop Contract clothing, because we know pockets were ordered on those jackets. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Patrick Hand Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 And pockets are so darn handy..... 2 on my jacket.... 2 on my waistcoat.... and two in my slops... I have plenty of places to put things......
doctor syn Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 Yes.....was going to have pockets put in,but my seamster(male seamstress?),did a runner with some society money...such is life...when I catch up with him,we'll have more to discuss than the finer points of nautical fashion.....Foxe,Maybe we should list our groups/boards...We can't go on meeting like this! Steve
Captain Midnight Posted December 8, 2006 Author Posted December 8, 2006 Ok...My jacket,otherwise much the same...Doesn't have pockets at all!Have I committed an unforgivable sin?Steve Do you have photos of your jacket Steve? "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945)
doctor syn Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 My technology's not up to that yet......other than the lack of pockets' only other difference is mine's got a white(ish) calico lining....comes in very useful for doing Bradstreet's armed Battoemen for F&I. Steve
Patrick Hand Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 I knew it was here some place..... I was looking for the picture of the pocket flap.... I think I might embordery that on the pocket flaps of the waistcoat I'm working on. The waistcoat is a dark blue wool, lined with whitish linen. I think I'll sew all the button holes with white thread, and do the embordery on the flaps in white also... I still have to make a pair of hemp slops, then I think I might tear out the cotton linning on my jacket, and replace it with red wool. (I'm wearing it as a winter jacket right now... so it probably won't be untill Spring....) I'm just not looking forward to re-sewing all of the button holes again.......
Gentleman of Fortune Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Pat... just make another jacket... what do you need? Greg Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression!
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