ViVi Trottsky Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Like I said thar in the sub topic I didn't know wharelse to put this so if it be in the wrong place feel free to move it. Red Pyrate Shirt Do yee think its a good or bad deal? There also be white and black to choose from, which color should I get? For me costume I'll have one of those shirts, black jeans, boots, one of my many bandanas, and hopefully a tricorner hat I saw on that same site. TRICORNER HAT Bad or good deal? Thank the for yee help. -ViVi
hurricane Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 We have several of these shirts - they work well. They look far better if you take a seam ripper or X-Acto and cut off the front ruffle. Then it looks more piratical. The tricorn, there are better options out there - this one doesn't hold up well. Try to get a felt one instead (JA Townsend has some good options). All the colors are good - I would go with the red if you're wearing black pants. -- Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com
Gentleman of Fortune Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 As Hurricane put it, you are going to have to do some work to that shirt... In general, GAoP shirts did not have fall collars, there were stand up collars. And, there is a relation ship to the size of the collars and the cuffs for our period as well. And, the cut is more like a modern shirt trying to be a pirate shirt.... the sleeve seem should come down a bit from the point of the shoulder around 6". That red shirt has the "point" up around where a modern shirt has it. Its basically a big square with triangular shaped guss... oh hell..... just take a look here http://www.esotericcreations.com/index.php...rticle=12&mn=ht The cuffs look like (on the red one) that they are elasitcated.... I bet my paycheck its made of cotton too.... But hey, if you are just getting it "for fun, festivals and frivality" I think it would work. If you want to (now or eventually) have an authentic GAoP pirate kit, you will have to get a correct shirt. Just my two cents.... Greg aka GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression!
Gentleman of Fortune Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Again... we kind of need to know your intention to give you good answers to your questions..... I re-read your post, and when I see For me costume I'll have one of those shirts, black jeans, boots, one of my many bandanas, and hopefully a tricorner hat I saw on that same site. It makes me think that you just want something "piratey" to have fun with on Halloween or a festival.... And I DONT mean to sound smug or anything, as there is always room for one more pirate aboard ship, no matter what there focus is..... But with the tricorne, I think Hurricane gave you some excellent advice! and if your are intested in GAoP headgear in general... http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/tricorne.htm Hurricane's link takes you to here http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?c...products_id=249 For $20. and about 2 hours work, you will have a hat your will be so proud of, you will post pictures of it here on this site. If you search the threads, there are several on how to shape your own tricorn.... Good luck! Greg aka GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression!
King's Pyrate Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Like I said thar in the sub topic I didn't know wharelse to put this so if it be in the wrong place feel free to move it.Red Pyrate Shirt Do yee think its a good or bad deal? There also be white and black to choose from, which color should I get? For me costume I'll have one of those shirts, black jeans, boots, one of my many bandanas, and hopefully a tricorner hat I saw on that same site. TRICORNER HAT Bad or good deal? Thank the for yee help. -ViVi I think Hurricane is right about the hat....I believe it is a foam type construction and will not last......besides, to my way o' think'n, it looks beat up.......I'm think'n a successful pirate would be wearing someone elses new hat and not an old wore out hat. Tis just my thoughts. Live long and Plunder Well! KP
kass Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Okay, historically accurate dress aside -- just from a construction and materials standpoint, this shirt looks like crap. I wouldn't pay a dime for it. It's crap fabric (a "poly-cotton blend" can mean many things), and it may not survive the first washing. So maybe you paid only $23 for a shirt, but it's a rental if you only get to wear it once before it's destroyed. Add to that, it's really tacky. As my husband would put it, "It's gone beyond tacky all the way into "sticky"!" A red shirt with red ruffles and red lace has absolutely no style. It just screams "cheap". Page down a bit on this page. It's only Townsend and they're don't sell the most historically accurately or well-made clothing in the world, but their shirts are at least made out of something akin to a real fabric and they will take washing. They even make one with a ruffle. Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
Capt. Sterling Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Why wouldn't a pirate wear his OWN new hat? I'd wager they didn't steal everything... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Capt. Sterling Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Now Empress don't be modest! Sell him one of your shirts... none better on the market... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
kass Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 In general, GAoP shirts did not have fall collars, there were stand up collars. Sorry, Greg. There's not enough evidence to make that kind of sweeping statement. I can actually think of more instances of shirts with fold-over collars in the GAoP than not. Both fold-over collars AND band collars existed at this time. And there are both wide and narrow cuffs as well. Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
blackjohn Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 And just a friendly moderator reminder, this isn't Capt Twill, so... just a reminder... My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together.
Patrick Hand Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Well... it is a "costume" shirt.... So it is intended to be worn only a few times..... I did a quick search for Rubies Costumes... then followed some of the links.... The price is comparible with other "costume" shirts.... Anyway with Halloween coming up, you might be able to find one localy and check out the quality... If it is something you only want to wear a few times, then it's OK..... If you want something that will last longer, or is more period correct, then you will have to pay a little more. (Jas. Townsend, etc...) If you are a male Pyrate.... you might want to cut off the ruffles like Hurrican sujested.... Ruffled front shirts are a really hard look for men to carry off with out looking too "poofie" It can be done tho.....
The Doctor Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Ish. Looks like it fell out of a Richard Simmons "Pirate Fantasy". Yo ho ho! Or does nobody actually say that?
Rogue Mermaid Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 There was a pretty decient costume pirate shirt at the local Super Walmart. It was cream colored with no ruffles. I believe it was under $30. I think something like it would be a little more "manly" than the lacey red top. You could always ad a red sash for some color.
Rats Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Let's make a deal.... I'll buy you a round of rum if you don't buy it! The red makes my eyes burn and my teeth ache when I look at it... :) Kass darlin' I wish you would offer some simple white shirts, slops and or breeches for folks to buy. It really is the basis for any outfit. If nothing else maybe a picture tutorial of the different "correct" or even acceptable variations of shirts, slops and breeches as were common. This could include the variations as worn by a common man or whom ever. This way folks can compare and see the big difference between a correct repro and a costume shirt. As far as hats go, buy a blank for $30 and form it your self. You can make a tricorn or run it over with your car and shoot a hole through it. I just got a blank from these folks on a whim and have no complaints http://www.bradleycompanyofthefox.com/main.html Take care and remember, there's noting worse than regretting a hasty made purchase. Rats No rest for the wicked! Wait a minute... that's me?!
The Doctor Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Very nice! I might just buy a blank from them to muck about with me own tricorn. :) Backfill story: Rumba finds me leather tricorn a bit too shiny for public display. I disagree, sighting that if the lasses are blinded, so better are my chances! Yo ho ho! Or does nobody actually say that?
William Brand Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 As a rule, be careful when buying a shirt when the model is carrying a plastic cutlass.
Rats Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Yeah but he has the "take me serious" look, dosn't he? :) Plastic sword or not! Rats! No rest for the wicked! Wait a minute... that's me?!
The Doctor Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Hence, the Richard Simmons reference. Yo ho ho! Or does nobody actually say that?
Jacky Tar Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Backfill story: Rumba finds me leather tricorn a bit too shiny for public display. I disagree, sighting that if the lasses are blinded, so better are my chances! "Mad Jack, yer not suppose t' blind 'em wit' yer hat, but dazzle 'em wit' yer charm!"
hurricane Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 People, people! If you read the post he's wearing jeans with it. I assume it's a short term (i.e. Halloween) type idea, or a starter outfit. We all didn't start with historically correct garb - well the vast majority here didn't. When we did our wedding in July we had plenty of these shirts on hand for the wedding guests (we had 70, so they couldn't all look as fab as we did :). These do wash well. They maintain their shape. Would I wear one now? No! But all of those who were just casual pirates or just starting out loved it. It looked great in photos. It was comfortable. -- Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com
The Doctor Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Damn my eyes! I was blinded by the shirt, and completely oblivious to the fact that jeans were mentioned. In that case, go Goth, and nab all the dreadlocked girlies you can, mate. Yo ho ho! Or does nobody actually say that?
CrazyCholeBlack Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 In that case, go Goth, and nab all the dreadlocked girlies you can, mate. ahum, some of us dreadlocked girlies wouldn't fall for a bright shirt. Seriously though, the costume shirt at MalWart is less than $20, cotton & much more manly "pirate" looking. I'm all for people having fun on halloween with costumes but that is more goth vampire than pirate. "If part of the goods be plundered by a pirate the proprietor or shipmaster is not entitled to any contribution." An introduction to merchandize, Robert Hamilton, 1777Slightly Obsessed, an 18th Century reenacting blog
Silkie McDonough Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 I agree with Chole. you can do better ...but I do like red, just not this style ...but I won't be there to droll over you lad so ...please the ladies nearer to you!
King's Pyrate Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 In that case, go Goth, and nab all the dreadlocked girlies you can, mate. ahum, some of us dreadlocked girlies wouldn't fall for a bright shirt. Seriously though, the costume shirt at MalWart is less than $20, cotton & much more manly "pirate" looking. I'm all for people having fun on halloween with costumes but that is more goth vampire than pirate. I bought 2 of them....around $12.......Dyed one purple...they make great loaners for newly recruited pirates and they are thin and cool. Live Long and Plunder Well! KP
kass Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 That sounds like a much better buy, King's Pyrate! May you wear them in good health! Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
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