Black Hearted Pearl Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Bahamas orders man lashed with cat-o'-nine-tails By John Marquis Wed Oct 11, 7:53 AM ET NASSAU, Bahamas, Oct 10 (Reuters Life!) - A man convicted of trying to rape an 83-year-old woman was sentenced to eight lashes with a cat-o'-nine-tails, a punishment used by the British Navy in the 18th century and reinstated in the Bahamas 15 years ago. ADVERTISEMENT Altulus Newbold, 34, was sentenced on Friday to 16 years in prison after being found guilty of burglary, attempted rape and causing harm. Justice Jon Isaacs ordered that he receive four lashes of the whip at the start of his sentence and four upon his release, but suspended the punishment for three weeks pending a possible appeal. The cat, a whip made of knotted cords, leaves flesh wounds and is used on the offender's back by a prison guard. It was outlawed in the Bahamas many years ago, but reinstated in the former British colony in 1991 in the face of rising crime. Attorney General Allyson Maynard-Gibson supported the use of the cat and said it was retained only for the most "egregious" cases. "I think the public is pleased to see the determination of our courts to see punishment meted out swiftly," she said. Newbold was accused of breaking into a woman's home on Cat Island in July 2004 and trying to have sexual intercourse with her. The woman told the court that she grabbed Newbold's genitals and "mashed" them. He bit her to make her let go and then fled the scene. Newbold apologized after the verdicts were handed down. A spokesman for the attorney general's office said the cat was last used in 2000 on a child rapist. That was the first time it had been used since 1994. Former Assistant Police Commissioner Paul Thompson said the cat was always considered an effective form of punishment. "A long-serving prison governor told me that prisoners who received the cat never returned to prison. He considered it the ultimate deterrent," Thompson said. ~Black Hearted Pearl The optimist expects the wind. The pessimist complains about the wind. The realist adjusts the sails.
Hester Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Christ on a crutch! I was considering a vacation in the Bahamas next spring. Now, I'll think twice about visiting such a barbaric country. Hester
Black Syren Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Barbaric? I think he's getting off lightly...Four before and four when released? I think they should give him the full eight going in and another full set when he leaves! Then he'll never assault anyone else again. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Dara286/trident01-11.png If you got a dream chase it, cause a dream won't chase you back...(Cody Johnson Till you Can't)
Dorian Lasseter Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Eight lashes.... that's it? What ever happened to th' goode ol' days of 'Moses' Law'? That would be 40 lashes, save one... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org
Hester Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Goddess grace ... I thought corporal punishment in prisons was abolished in Canada in the 19th century! To my horror, it appears it was still on the books until 1972! Hey, I was 9 years old then: http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/pblct/rights...0yrs-05_e.shtml When I was 6, a parliamentary committe declared: "The imposition of such a penalty is 'brutal and degrading both to the recipient and the person imposing it'." I second that emotion! But ye gods, I thought we'd done way with this brutality before my grandmother was born, not when I was in primary school! I guess I can't be so critical of the Bahamian justice system when the laws of my own country so recently allowed the same thing. ~~Hester
Fox Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 When hanging was "abolished" in the UK there were three crimes excluded. Until the 1970s you could still be hanged for "Arson in her Majesty's Dockyards", and today you can still technically be hanged for two crimes: high treason, and... piracy with violence. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Story Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 Christ on a crutch! I was considering a vacation in the Bahamas next spring. Now, I'll think twice about visiting such a barbaric country.Hester I sincerely doubt you'd have such a high and mighty attitude, if you had ever been raped. Anyways, the article was also posted here https://pyracy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8800 Dances for nickels.
Black Syren Posted October 12, 2006 Posted October 12, 2006 i agree with story, but that sentence does seem a little light. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Dara286/trident01-11.png If you got a dream chase it, cause a dream won't chase you back...(Cody Johnson Till you Can't)
capnwilliam Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Aye, Moses Law for this bottom dweller! Raping an 83 year old woman...Gawd, let's throw in keelhauling, tricing, and running the gauntlet for this sorry excuse for a man! Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!"
PirateSSe Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 From my experiece, it be great fun! me--ouch. No, not lying. I do own a leather cat. Quite fun to use.
Captain Tito Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 Makes ye wonder what the US crime scene would be these years if our J-system still had a few punishments like the cat, hangin, or what have ye, up their sleeves for some of what we've seen in the news over the years!! <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Have Parrot Bay, will travel. WILL SHARE TOO!!!</span>
Hester Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 I sincerely doubt you'd have such a high and mighty attitude, if you had ever been raped. I'm a former volunteer rape crisis counsellor, Story. I abhor the crime involved. Had the elderly woman killed her attacker in retaliation, I would consider that her right. However, I'm also a democratic socialist, and so I equally abhor the state's use of 'legalized' torture (i.e. whipping, etc.) or murder ("execution") for any reason whatsoever. The physical, psychological, or emotional abuse of prisoners is a fundamental violation of human rights according to the United Nations Convention against Torture: http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm [ironically, the UN acronym for this convention is "CAT".] If we fail to apply these standards to all human beings -- even the most violent criminal such as a rapist -- then we open the door to fascism. Hester
kass Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 Okay, this topic has veered wildly away from the flimsy reason it was on this forum in the first place -- historical punishments. Please return to the topic at hand immediately. If this thread continues in this vein, it will be deleted. Personal attacks will get you banned. Your moderator Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time!
oderlesseye Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 Whom was the Last pirate hung or given the cat anyways? http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand."
Sjöröveren Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 I know you can get cats made for the B-D crowd, but anyone know of accurate reproductions of the naval version available? Made with a length of rope, with nine strands of marline, and kept in a baize bag? I would love to have one to hang on the wall of my basement pub. I would also love to have a basement pub, but I'm working on that. the Fool's Gold Pirates
CrazyCholeBlack Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 like this one Foxe posted about a while back? https://pyracy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8703 "If part of the goods be plundered by a pirate the proprietor or shipmaster is not entitled to any contribution." An introduction to merchandize, Robert Hamilton, 1777Slightly Obsessed, an 18th Century reenacting blog
Sjöröveren Posted October 24, 2006 Posted October 24, 2006 It doesn't look like my mental image, but if Foxe made it, I'm certain my mental image is wrong. I think I could handle making that one the Fool's Gold Pirates
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