Gay pirates? Sounds interesting

[HarborMaster]

I dont know if this clears any of it up or not but..., FOX news ran extensive reports last year about a "Gay Day " at the Florida park which offended its nieghbors., and apparently Disney makes alot of porno.

If this is not true., I am certain Disney would have sued FOX........, they did not., and FOX ran this for a few weeks on prime time.

As I have always said., Disney is about making money., pure and simple., its not a magic kingdom or anything like that., it is simply trying to make bank any way it can. If Cinderella sister was a man., and others were kicked out., It was biased and kept in the closet., and they wanted to watch out for their "Image" and they still do., even tho they are into many things other than childrens entertainment.

The topic here is "Gay Pirates ? Sounds Interesting?

No-one here seemed to answer this topic squarely., or took a straight forward response to address the question., mostly a bunch of dancing., except of course from Lady Barbosa., she seems to be the only one who did not actually avoid the question. "Gay Pirates ? Sounds Interesting?

For you probably it does "Sound Interesting" or you would not have brought it up., am I right?

For me I recognise the gay community wasnt prominent aboard late 17th century and early 18th century shipping. probably it would have been very secretive when on a rare occasion something might have happened.

It this thread is just to pose the question., is it interesting..., well since there were not many women involved in piracy., we would have to assume you are refering to men.

To answer the original question.

No I would NOT find it interesting to see for example Edward Teach taking Stede Bonnet's temperature., while Bartholomew Roberts was counting the Korne in Jack Rackhams Poo-Poo.

Did I get it right., Did I answer the question., "Do I find it interesting" ? No I do not.

Actually I find these mental images., depressing., degrading., and sic?

I imagine there may have been a few incidents that no-one has heard about..., and I can also imagine a few were killed..., and that was the end of it. Society today is more tolerant of such debauchery.

[Rumba Rue]

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[Merrydeath]

I havn't posted on this yet, but I imagine that sex on ships was about the same as sex in prisons.. and there is more than one story about females being taken aboard ships against their will. I can imagine that young men would be in the same predicament.

I googled these sites, that talk about homosexuality on pirate ships.. but I would remind any who think that Religous men were not homosexual, that King James I was an obvious 'lover of men', despite children from his wife. He had something to do with the King James bible I believe..

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also this article-- This week, Newsweek ran a cover story on Pirates of the Caribbean 2 star Johnny Depp — with the contextually-Freudian cover line "The Pirate in Johnny Depp" — in which producer Jerry Bruckheimer revealed the studio's trepidation about Depp's depiction of Captain Jack before the first Pirates:

Jack Sparrow was initially conceived as a young Burt Lancaster, Depp had re-imagined him as a debauched, vain, slightly fey rock star, inspired by Rolling Stones icon Keith Richards and cartoon skunk Pepe Le Pew. "The studio was, like, 'Is he gay? Is he drunk? We don't know what he's doing!'" says producer Bruckheimer. "It took a little while to calm everybody down."

Said director John Waters: "It's the closest part he's ever played to his real self, but the fact that he played it kind of nelly was a big risk." Pause. "If only real gay pirates were that much fun."

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http://www.alienperspective.com/Gay%20Pira...e%20Article.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081471236...glance&n=283155

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._5/ai_n14931149

and this really ornate shirt for gay pride, that takes some liberties with history.

http://www.cafepress.com/maryranneb

[Iron Bess]

All this aside I 'd like to point out that Disney Studios was the first major Studio to openly and without pause offer insurance coverage to their employee's gay partners if they were living at the same address.

Many other places still don't.

We openly support, sponser and advertise a Gay Day at our theme parks. If non-Gays come to the gates and are offended they are encouraged not to go in. It may be rare... but we are not always all about the money.

Time marches on I suppose...

[Red Maria]

If you want historical openly gay pirate look no further than Robert Culiford the bane of Capt. Kidd's existance. He even had a partner named John Swann who was called his Great Consort (or was that Grand Consort ). Took half of Kidd's crew away from him too. :)

[Christine]

I know I'll be checking out Gay Day at Disneyland. Perhaps there'll be less strollers than usual. I know gay people have kids, but I'm just hoping it won't be a lot. Lately Disneyland is becoming Strollerland, it's crazy and out of control. My mom got her foot run over 3 times when we were there last Saturday. And these people don't apologeize, they look pissed to be pushing a stroller thru a large crowd. Well, that's just tough, no one asked them to bring a stroller! My parents never used a stroller with me on my first visit, I was 3. They waited til I could walk on my own, if I got tired they just simply picked me up. Made it easier to get thru the crowd. The majority of the reason for strollers is because parents are taking little babies. I've seen some that look like newborns. There were quite a few babies waiting in line for rides like Pirates and Haunted Mansion, that's just way too young. Poor kid doesn't even know what the hell is going on!

[Dusi Sparrow]

I know what you're talking about Christine. Last year friends took their 1 year old son with them to the faire, because she was still breastfeeding him. Looked like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Tim...ie/Satzvey4.jpg

[Christine]

Other than the fact the baby won't understand what's going on and the parents will be tied down, they're subjecting their child to a lot of germs. This is why I'm so surprised to see a lot of babies in large crowds. Lots of people, lots of germs, not good to have a baby around that, but what do I know right? I'm not a mother......

[Rumba Rue]

I know I'll be checking out Gay Day at Disneyland. Perhaps there'll be less strollers than usual. I know gay people have kids, but I'm just hoping it won't be a lot. Lately Disneyland is becoming Strollerland, it's crazy and out of control. My mom got her foot run over 3 times when we were there last Saturday. And these people don't apologeize, they look pissed to be pushing a stroller thru a large crowd. Well, that's just tough, no one asked them to bring a stroller! My parents never used a stroller with me on my first visit, I was 3. They waited til I could walk on my own, if I got tired they just simply picked me up. Made it easier to get thru the crowd. The majority of the reason for strollers is because parents are taking little babies. I've seen some that look like newborns. There were quite a few babies waiting in line for rides like Pirates and Haunted Mansion, that's just way too young. Poor kid doesn't even know what the hell is going on!

I most certianly agree with you!!! It's total stroller-hell there!!!!

[The Doctor]

I hate those carpet-commando carriages! They're almost as big as my SUV, and carry as much junk!

Don't get me wrong; I love kiddies, if prepared properly. Especially with mint sauce or a nice peppercorn bernaisse.

[Dusi Sparrow]

Where and when Jack? I'll bring the rum.

[Bloody_Mary_Bonney]

I most certianly agree with you!!! It's total stroller-hell there!!!!

oh yeah alomst had my knee taken out by the one the size of a monster truck. Never sit on a railing.... when they go by they aim for you....

[Hester]

Naw, I can't see Jack being gay or even bi-curious.  He's always busy with the ladies, which is why they're always slapping him, pissed he loves them and leaves them.

I actually think of Jack as omni-sexual, ready to shag any convenient warm body that smells better than he does -- be that Elizabeth Swann, the working women of Tortuga, Tia Dalma, a passing mermaid (or was that a dolphin?), Will, Norrington [i'm rooting for you, mate!], or Norrington's goat.

Cheers, Hester

[Sea Sage]

I've been doin research for a possible pirate film, shyin away from POTC. Accordin to http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/pirates.htm, thar was discussion of Ann Bonney and Mary Read being lover whilst members of Calico Jack's crew. It was also thought that Calico Jack was Captain Vane's Quartermaster and paramour.

Also there was another pirate friend of Ann's named Pierre Bouspect aka: Pierre DElving, Peter Bosket, "Pierre the Pansy Pirate" Google list other possibilities as well. :)

[Culliford]

If you want historical openly gay pirate look no further than Robert Culiford the bane of Capt. Kidd's existance. He even had a partner named John Swann who was called his Great Consort (or was that Grand Consort ). Took half of Kidd's crew away from him too. :)

This is true according to the sources I've read... but that's not why I go by the name "Culliford" (in case anyone was trying to put two and two together...). I go by the name "Culliford" in some online pirate games I play, and it's interesting to me how this REAL pirate, the guy that did most of the things Kidd got blamed for, is so unknown and forgotten. He was ruthless, bloodthirsty, and yeah, probably on the gay side. He was also a very witty speaker, and was able to talk his way out of trouble on more than one occasion. (I was going to say he had a slippery tongue, but... well... double entendres and all...)

I have no problem with people being involved in relationships with other people... whether they are same-sex or not. I have a few friends that have gone "both ways," and have relationships with people in general, and not with members of the opposite sex. It seems like a way to broaden the pool of perspective soulmates... but that's not for me. I looooooooooooove the ladies!

As a historian, there's one thing that troubles me with quotes like "It's not in contemporary literature..." Social or cultural taboos are rarely in contemporary literature. Many times, the things that went on but against cultural mores were not discussed openly, and especially not in literature. To do so would be to call attention to oneself and the unacceptable behavior. I think that there was probably a lot more "deep sea lovin'" going on than we will ever know, although I'm certain that ships were not floating disco ships with crews on deck singing "YMCA."

[Taemus MacRoegen]

Even more so in 'Dead Man's Chest'. He's already made a parody of himself by the second film! How limp-wristed will he be in the third? I'm almost ashamed to admit 'yeah, I'll go see it'. When are we gonna get a realistic, hardnosed pyrate flick? The Blackbeard saga would be a perfect op, just dripping with memorable scenes.

[Red Cat Jenny]

Noo nooooooooooo!! NO gay pirates! agh! ::slapping head:: (nothing against being gay - I've had gay friends -

Agh! don't spoil me fantasy!

[Kenneth]

How come the village people didn't have a pirate? I'm offended!

[Red Cat Jenny]

They were land based? *snicker*

[Kenneth]

Does leg humping count as gay?

Period clothing brings out the Buccaneer in all of us!!

[casketchris]

that was a look of shock not enjoyment

[Handcannon Chris]

Then why did you have that look for the rest of the night?

[casketchris]

[CaptainJackRussell]

Where and when Jack? I'll bring the rum.

Medieval fair at Castle Satzvey (Germany) June 2006

 

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Jack

[Handcannon Chris]

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