capnwilliam Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Yes, I know: anything (and anyone) they wanted to! But seriously, mates: during the Golden Age (I use the term in a broad sense: 1680 - 1730), did briar pipes exist? I know they had clay ones; reed-stemmed clay pipes came in around 1750, if I recall correctly. Cigarettes didn't exist in this era. (Cigarettes are nasty, and BORING, anyway!) How about cigars? Does anyone have any evidence of pirates smoking "stronger stuff"? Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Hmmmmm..might ask a Rastapyrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 As for pipes, I'm sure the clay pipes were about... As for Cigars; When europeans first encountered Tobacco, the "Indians" were smoking cigars, some actually had pipes, conical clay tubes, straight with no bend... I've seen 'em in person, in books, and on the 'net.... I meself enjoy a long reed stemmed pip as ye can see in me avitar..... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Flint Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Actually Dorian... Your avatar is somewhat small and is hard to make out the pipe. I myself like to use a churchwarden pipe with a curve in the stem. I haven't lit it since my daughter was born over three years ago. Fair Katey was a heavy smoker before that and since she was forced to give it up, and since I was never addicted, I simply stopped with her. Plus I really hate the idea of telling my little one that smoking is bad and she cannot do it, only to watch me smoke. You know.... mixed messages.... oh well..... The Capt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Aye Capt. Flint, True, the Avitar is small, the same pic, full sized is in the pyracy gallery... shoulda said that... I understand the reasoning fer nay lighting yer pipe, I'm not an avid smoker, nor is my Lass, tho an occasional puff is a nice thing, especially at an reenactment, or other get together.... mixed well with rum.... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stynky Tudor Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Arr though I don’t recall where I be reading it, but I seem to remember reading somewhere about european peoples smoking all sorts of stuff (pre-tobacco), mugwort, mint leaves, herbs and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted July 22, 2003 Author Share Posted July 22, 2003 I don't smoke as a habit, but I do enjoy an occasional cigar, or better yet, my clay pipe, which is a short one that would easily pass muster for an Elizabethan seaman impression. :) Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 As sort of general guideline,, we don't smoke on deck much anymore as with so much powder on deck, upwind is a dangerous place to be with a spark, just a spark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Aye Royaliste, I pray ye don't have open barrels o' power out on deck... Do ya not have yer charges in a lead lined box/chest, ready ta be handled by yer powder monkies??? Tis best ta have a pipe lookin' o'er th' bow anyway... Settin' on a cathead, iff'n ye can manage it.... dangelin' o'er th' side... Or at th' base of the bow sprit... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Aye,lad. Smokin' be fer merchants, not privateers. cut plug fer deckhands....., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Aye Royaliste, Well, mayhaps ye like ta be walkin thru terbacky spittle all over yer deck.... Not I!!! I'll not have my ship suffer that indignation... Callin' me a merchant are ye? Hmmm..... A Gentleman has a pipe on occasion.... and, on occasion I have been called a Gentleman... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Naw! Spit that tobaky on me deck, and ye'll find out just how far the swivel guns swivel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Aye Royaliste, Well said, well said... I could nay see havin' a pipe whilst cleared fer action... tho iff'n the wind has fallen off durin' a run... wi' not else ta do... So, yer swivels are nay set so's ye can't do dammage ta yer own crew, eh? Hmmmm... might be tyme ta rig some stops on tha' rail... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Well, about the swivels. Rev war style, of'n the Philadelphia, and in this crazy world where ya can't protect yerself with modern weapons, a 1 1/4 bore swivel with a load of old brass screws makes a fella sleep a little easier ina strange port.... Them wot rob's a pyrate whilst he sleeps, don' a get too far away in their now sinking dink!RRRRRRRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Aye Ladd!! I likes th' way ye think!!!! Can't 'ave modern weapons ta defend yerself? Who says nay? Hmmm... backside fulla brass screws... Ye could always rig yer boardin' nets a'fore ye retire fer th' eve... Or made a sign tha' says; "this Vessel pritected by 6 pounders..." 'r somat like tha'..... "I dunna call 911"? Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Evr'y port I've sailed into! usually confiscated when you enter, hard to find 'em to get whatever back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Hmmm... Me thinks ye need ta start hidin' some wares 'tween decks... I dunna understand tha'.... wot's wrong wi' a nice lil 12 ga marine grade shotgun? Nuthin' illegal wi' tha'..... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Well, some do. But it's hell if they find it undeclared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted July 25, 2003 Author Share Posted July 25, 2003 Aye, Dorian, I doubt that an honest seaman - or even a pirate at heart masqueradin' as one - would have a problem with a modern shotgun aboard his vessel; leastways, not in any U.S. port. I'd be wary about havin' a pistol aboard, though. In any case, a shotgun's a better piece while docked, and a respectable lookin' sporting rifle should be legal also, and would be just the ticket while out to sea. Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 25, 2003 Share Posted July 25, 2003 Actually,ye are a mite off there mate. Even a measley .22 rifle is a no no most countries, Life when you enter a foreign port by ship rather than gettin' off'n a plane! Sportsmen, as recognised by most other nations, fly to hunt, not sail on a slow ship. Ask yer favorite yachtie. man, this new format sucks... don't even wanna hang here any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba Rue Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 Well there's an interesting item in the new 'Renaissance' magazine I got the other day. It talked about Shakespears day when clay pipes that were found from the time were holding traces of cocaine and marijuana. (Article on page 20) So maybe those pirates were really 'swishbuckling' around! RumbaRue **Two wrongs are only the beginning** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 I luv it, girl! Just greeted the Nippon Maru, recently. BIG ship. Checking online, I found out that in 1912, she was busted fer smugglin' boucous Chinese girls right to S.F.!! Hardee-Har! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maddox Roberts Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Getting back to the subject of pipes: At least one set of pirate articles forbids smoking a pipe in the hold without a cap on it. This suggests something more substantial than a clay pipe, rather like the distinctive German capped pipes of the 19th century. Anyone seen such pipes from the 17th/18th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 I admit that I was thinkin' primarily of U.S. ports, mate. (weapons issue). Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 Good point there about pipe lids, Mate John. Does anyone have any such documentation? Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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