Cuisto Mako Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hi everyone, I know every body loves those big brass buckle on their baldric, but I was wondering if they were actually pc and if so what are they suppose to look like? I know that soldiers baldric usually features some sort of stretch double D buckle but what about pirates or militia man? Anybody with pc image or painting? My main interest is of cours late 17thC but GAoP would be interesting too. Thanks Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 You might find some info from a Brethren thread where they have discussed the Baldrick. heres the link.. http://www.piratebrethren.com/forum/viewtopic.php?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90&t=647 "Without caffine, I'd have no personality at all" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuisto Mako Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Thanks! I though I had already scann through that forum but apparently I missed this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 This should be an easy one to answer. First off were the materials to make those buckles available? Yes. Did the technology to make buckles exist? Yes. Did buckles exist during that period? Yes. Now second thing to consider, pirates did not have uniforms, other thing to consider, things were not mass produced as they are today, meaning almost everything you bought and or stole was custom or hand made. Lastly there is no accounting for personal taste. That should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 There's probably more I could add to our thread since last we discussed the topic. things were not mass produced as they are today, meaning almost everything you bought and or stole was custom or hand made. A buckle-making industry was established in Birmingham in the beginning of the 18thC. By the middle of the century, they were producing over 2 million buckles per annum. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) That's interesting, I thought mass production came about during the industrial revolution in the late 1700's, I stand corrected. Still not quite mass produced as products are today or mass distributed. There wasn't a "Ye old Target or Walmart in every town." Edited October 17, 2009 by Pirate Petee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 That's interesting, I thought mass production came about during the industrial revolution in the late 1700's, I stand corrected. Still not quite mass produced as products are today or mass distributed. There wasn't a "Ye old Target or Walmart in every town." I'll blame the education system, which I think is a bit Amerocentric. The book I have goes on to talk about how, in the 1760s, a machine stamping process was invented for buckles. They stamped stamping out buckles like crazy, and as the 18thC progressed, the grew and grew in size, becoming more fancy, with open work and filigree and all sorts of cool stuff. Someone also invented a process to silver-plate copper during that time. It seems like the late-18thC was the real hey-day of the big buckle. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Thank you john, always a wealth of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Thank you john, always a wealth of info. Thanks. And hey, it's always nice to see you back here hanging out with us old pirates! My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Its good to be back. Missed you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuisto Mako Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 Thanks guys, after going through those threads and doing a bit more research on the web, I decided that my baldric won't have a buckle but rather cross stiches like this one: http://www.karlrobinson.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=6763 Looks pretty good, and you saved the cost of a buckle that would not necessarily have been pc in style anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoD Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I was just going to send you this link too: http://www.re-enactmentshop.com/p_16th-17th_century.htm They sell reproduction 16/17th century buckles ...and then I discovered the wine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Swab Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Intestering little tidbit on buckles, there were some (circa 1730's) that unlike everything you see we not made with a bar thru the center but instead were drilled and a pin installed, material was something like a copper/bronze alloy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Yearr, after goin' crazy lookin' fer big squar buckles, I finally decided on round ones. Thanks fer th' links, me hearties. good readin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Thanks guys, after going through those threads and doing a bit more research on the web, I decided that my baldric won't have a buckle but rather cross stiches like this one: http://www.karlrobinson.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=6763 Looks pretty good, and you saved the cost of a buckle that would not necessarily have been pc in style anyway... I've tried that route, but with problems. It's OK if you always wear the same kit, but if you vary what you wear, the piece won't hang right. If I have it set for summer kit, just a weskit and shirt, then I put on a wool jacket and canvas coat for bad weather, the hilt hangs under my ribs. If I set it for the heavier gear and then try to wear it with just a shirt, the hilt is halfway down my thigh. There is good reason to put the buckle on and it doesn't have to be a great fancy thing. Just a 2 inch double D works fine. Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuisto Mako Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 I've tried that route, but with problems. It's OK if you always wear the same kit, but if you vary what you wear, the piece won't hang right. If I have it set for summer kit, just a weskit and shirt, then I put on a wool jacket and canvas coat for bad weather, the hilt hangs under my ribs. If I set it for the heavier gear and then try to wear it with just a shirt, the hilt is halfway down my thigh. There is good reason to put the buckle on and it doesn't have to be a great fancy thing. Just a 2 inch double D works fine. Hawkyns You do have a very good point there. I'll think about it. Thanks Hawkyns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartermaster James Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I'll second what Hawkyns said, and not just for seasonality. If it's pyrates about town (i.e. pyrates at the pub) and I'll be mostly sitting, then I wear it higher than if I were mainly on my feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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