LadyBrower Posted June 7, 2009 Posted June 7, 2009 I found this at an antique shop this morning. I thought it looked kind of cool, and I wonder if it is/ resembles something PC and what it actually is, it looks to me like a butcher knife of sorts... Thanks for the help! Cook and Seamstress to the Half Moon Marauders Lady Brower's Treasures, Clothing and other treasures Hell Hath No Fury like the Wrath of a Woman... No that's it. She doesn't need a reason. www.myspace.com/halfmoonmarauders www.myspace.com/faerienoodle
Cascabel Posted June 7, 2009 Posted June 7, 2009 Going by the curve of the back of the blade, and the hole in it, plus the handle shape, I think it looks like a well-worn butcher's cleaver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cleaver_(PSF).jpg >>>>> Cascabel
1stMate Matt Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Going by the curve of the back of the blade, and the hole in it, plus the handle shape, I think it looks like a well-worn butcher's cleaver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cleaver_(PSF).jpg >>>>> Cascabel uh huh! -1st Mate of Pirates Magazine -Bladesmith/Owner of That Works Studio http://youtube.com/thatworks thatworks.shop
Jib Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 I imagine that such a tool has been around for a long time.
captjustinkase Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) That is definately a type meat cleaver. I have been looking for an antique one like that for a while for my kit. Cleavers are PC, but finding text to support that, or images to confirm that are few and far between. Here are some of the few references I have found that mentions cleavers during the period we protray. 1) A French Connection Psychic crime-solving dates back at least 300 years, judging from one published account from a government-appointed commission in 17th-century France. In July 1692, a wine merchant and his wife in Lyons were brutally murdered with a meat cleaver during the course of a burglary. I could not find any reference to support the mentioned crime in the above paragraph found on a site discussing Psychic crimes. Old Stone Mill - Contruction approx 1675 http://www.quahog.org/attractions/index.php?id=48 An extensive archaeological dig in 1949 uncovered some 20,000 artifacts, including a fragment of a rusty meat cleaver, bits of clay pipe, a horse tooth, and coins. Additionally, bits of grinding stones, a gunflint, and, believe it or not, a footprint, were found. The grinding stones seemed to lend credence to the theory that the tower had been used as a grist mill, and the Colonial-style shoeprint, found in a layer of clay deeper than the tower's footings, should have decided the question of the tower's builders for good. But it didn't, and investigations continued. Edited June 19, 2009 by captjustinkase Captain Justin Kase Captain of the Dread Pyrate Ship SeaMonkey Beloved of Anya Kase Also Known As Silverback, The Naughty Bard Quixotic Pyrate of the Desert Seas
captjustinkase Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Lots of documentation on cooking, but not very much on cooking utensils. I have not experienced many folks putting my cooking utensils under much scrutiny becasue of this. It has been generally accepted if it looks heavy and "old" then it passes PC inspection. Edited June 19, 2009 by captjustinkase Captain Justin Kase Captain of the Dread Pyrate Ship SeaMonkey Beloved of Anya Kase Also Known As Silverback, The Naughty Bard Quixotic Pyrate of the Desert Seas
historyfanatic Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 It has been generally accepted if it looks heavy and "old" then it passes PC inspection. True, but on the other hand, most original kitchen utensils that I have handled (granted, late 18th and early 19th century) are much like the swords of the period... Lightweight, finely crafted tools... If I had to guess, I'd say that is a circa 1880-1930 meat cleaver... However, I'm sure it would be passable to the average event jury... Y.M.H.S., Nathanael Logsdon Militia Captain, Merchant Sailor, Tailor, Brewer, Gunrunner and Occassional Pirate... www.piratesofpaynetown.org www.taylor-rosehistorical.com www.ladywashington.org
LadyBrower Posted June 24, 2009 Author Posted June 24, 2009 It has been generally accepted if it looks heavy and "old" then it passes PC inspection. True, but on the other hand, most original kitchen utensils that I have handled (granted, late 18th and early 19th century) are much like the swords of the period... Lightweight, finely crafted tools... If I had to guess, I'd say that is a circa 1880-1930 meat cleaver... However, I'm sure it would be passable to the average event jury... Eeek. That's a LITTLE out of period, unless it does look like the same from the early 1700's... Cook and Seamstress to the Half Moon Marauders Lady Brower's Treasures, Clothing and other treasures Hell Hath No Fury like the Wrath of a Woman... No that's it. She doesn't need a reason. www.myspace.com/halfmoonmarauders www.myspace.com/faerienoodle
blackjohn Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 (scratching head... wondering if I have any pictures of turn of that century meat cleavers...) My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together.
captjustinkase Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) It has been generally accepted if it looks heavy and "old" then it passes PC inspection. True, but on the other hand, most original kitchen utensils that I have handled (granted, late 18th and early 19th century) are much like the swords of the period... Lightweight, finely crafted tools... If I had to guess, I'd say that is a circa 1880-1930 meat cleaver... However, I'm sure it would be passable to the average event jury... Eeek. That's a LITTLE out of period, unless it does look like the same from the early 1700's... Here are some web resources with images that might help. http://www.mamalisa.com/blog/domestic-life...e-17th-century/ Talks about cooking in colonial times, and some of the images show knives similar to meat cleavers Here is also an image of colonial cooking utensils. There also seems to be a cleaver like blade in the bunch. It came from a sight about the jamestown colony. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16277/16277-h/16277-h.htm I hope these help. Edited June 24, 2009 by captjustinkase Captain Justin Kase Captain of the Dread Pyrate Ship SeaMonkey Beloved of Anya Kase Also Known As Silverback, The Naughty Bard Quixotic Pyrate of the Desert Seas
callenish gunner Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 There were several almost identical cleavers found amongst the artifacts found in Pompeii that were encased in boiling mud in 79A.D.
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