Niko Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) Has anyone had experience with Loyalist Arms weaponry? Is it any good? http://www.loyalistarms.com/pirateswordscutlasses%20.html 17th Century shell guard cutlass. Iron guard, wood grip. Blade, 26" X 1 9/16, with 2 fullers OAL. 32 1/2". - $121.00 US. Edited June 4, 2009 by Niko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSatan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) I have never bought one, but here be a link to a review of a similar weapon. But truth be told I am not even sure if it's still available. *photo by Gene George Click here ye rum soaked bastard! Weight: 2 pounds 2 ounces Overall length: 33 inches Blade length: 28 inches Blade width: 1.5 inches Fullers: 14.75" and 14" long Shell: Clamshell approximately 5" long x 4" wide Guard: Recurved quillions 5.5" wide x 5.5" long Grip and pommel length: 5.5 inches Point of Balance: 6.25 inches from guard Center of Percussion: ~20 inches from guard * review by Gene George Edited June 4, 2009 by CaptainSatan As we say in Ireland let's drink until the alcohol in our system destroys our liver and kills us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stMate Matt Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 That sword looks good but its not for any kind of use. The tang is a tiny little rod that wouldnt hold up at all. So if what you want is a costume piece then this is a great deal but for any use I would try to find something with a full tang. -1st Mate of Pirates Magazine -Bladesmith/Owner of That Works Studio http://youtube.com/thatworks thatworks.shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graydog Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) That sword looks to be a replica of a specific Dutch Cutlass dated 1763 page 76, bottom of page, that is illustrated in Boarder’s Away Vol. 1. However, the style goes into the 1600’s per the book. The scabbard looks to be more of a machete cover than a sword scabbard. It might be the scabbard is why Loyalist is selling this sword for $100 cheaper then Windlass which has a more sword style looking scabbard? But then again when I look at the cross guard on the Windlass in Captain Satan's post and then look closely at the Loyalist picture it appears that there maybe a significant difference in width of the cross guard, with the Windlass being significantly larger. Then again, might just be the photo or my bad eyes. Note- This sword (and the Windlass) have a separate cross guard, and shell guard that slide into place vs. in the original that it’s my understanding were not separate and were actually part of the sword. Boarder’s Away doesn’t speak to this point, its conjecture on my part they were all part of the blade based on what I have seen constructed. If I am off base here, please feel free to correct me. Edited June 6, 2009 by Graydog Why am I sharing my opinion? Because I am a special snowflake who has an opinion of such import that it must be shared and because people really care what I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSatan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) That sword looks good but its not for any kind of use. The tang is a tiny little rod that wouldnt hold up at all. I would try to find something with a full tang. Many period weapons have puny little tangs (lol). I am amazed that they have held up in battle at all. The Japanese had the right idea. One of these days I am going to attach a late 17th century English basket hilt to a slightly shortened katana blade so that I don't have to worry about such things. Edited June 4, 2009 by CaptainSatan As we say in Ireland let's drink until the alcohol in our system destroys our liver and kills us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stMate Matt Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 That sword looks good but its not for any kind of use. The tang is a tiny little rod that wouldnt hold up at all. I would try to find something with a full tang. Many period weapons have puny little tangs (lol). I am amazed that they have held up in battle at all. The Japanese had the right idea. One of these days I am going to attach a late 17th century English basket hilt to a slightly shortened katana blade so that I don't have to worry about such things. I have a friend that mounts katana blades in basket hilts. They rock! Either way I would fight on stage with a crowd with a rat tail tang... Not a good idea. -1st Mate of Pirates Magazine -Bladesmith/Owner of That Works Studio http://youtube.com/thatworks thatworks.shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSatan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) I have a friend that mounts katana blades in basket hilts. They rock! Either way I would fight on stage with a crowd with a rat tail tang. Any pics or links to your friends work? Most people associate pierced baskets as Scottish thing. But they were quite popular with the English as well. I have never seen a cutlass with a pierced basket. Other than in the movie Cutthroat Island. But I'd still love to have one for my Hollywood Ren faire persona An X-ray tech friend of mine and I took photos and radiographed some private collections several years ago and we shocked at the number of flimsy rat tail tangs that we found. Edited June 4, 2009 by CaptainSatan As we say in Ireland let's drink until the alcohol in our system destroys our liver and kills us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSatan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) What's up with baltimoreknife.com? I got an attack site warning from Google when I clicked on the link Diagnostic page for baltimoreknife.com What is the current listing status for baltimoreknife.com? Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer. Part of this site was listed for suspicious activity 2 time(s) over the past 90 days. I broke out my stunt computer and visited the site and my virus software blocked a virus. McAfee has automatically blocked and removed a Trojan. About this Trojan Detected: Obfuscated Script.f.gen (Trojan) Edited June 4, 2009 by CaptainSatan As we say in Ireland let's drink until the alcohol in our system destroys our liver and kills us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 [Most people associate pierced baskets as Scottish thing. But they were quite popular with the English as well. I have never seen a cutlass with a pierced basket. Do a search on Sinclair Sabers. They were a type of infantry hanger from the late 16th, early 17th centuries, Named, supposedly, after a Scottish captain who commanded a mercenary force. Years ago, Museum Reps had one in their catalogue, when they were doing better work. I wish there were more out there. As a late 16th c persona, I'd like a couple of my crew to have them. I made mine by attaching an old schiavona hilt to a cutlass blade. The extra weight of the hilt gives a better balance to the piece and makes it much easier to snap around. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...sa%3DN%26um%3D1 On the original question, I have a Loyalist Arms blunerbuss that I've been very happy with, but I know nothing about their blades. Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Here is the first Sinclair from the link Hawkyns posted: And the description: Named for a Scots officer who led a failed expedition on the continent this short infantry cutting sword has a hilt of very complex form with twisted bars and a large plate guard with flutes. Wire wrap and collars on the hilt are replacements but otherwise original. While these swords tended to be somewhat crude as they were produced in large quantities for the average soldier this example is fairly finished and elaborate. Late 16th or 17th century. Here is the second picture from the link that Hawkyns posted: From the description: This sword is of the simple crude form of these infantry cutting swords. A simple two plate guard and rough forged slightly S form quillions make up the hilt. All the weight is in the front of the blade. Extensive parrying cuts throughout this piece. Late 16th or 17th century. Photo credits to: The Mercenary's Tailor Armoury My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stMate Matt Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Yea I am working on our site. We got hacked. -1st Mate of Pirates Magazine -Bladesmith/Owner of That Works Studio http://youtube.com/thatworks thatworks.shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Petee Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I have it and it feels pretty solid. Beautiful sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maddox Roberts Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Walter Matthau had a cutlass with a Scottish-style basket in the movie "Pirates." I'm thinking of cobbling one together with a Cold Steel Scottish basket and an old MRL cutlass blade I have. Should look stylish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Scottish Grenadiers used a basket-hilted hanger/cutlass beginning around 1704 in both steel and brass mounts ...From some of the swords in the G. Neuman Collection ....I'll try to get some photos of them in a couple of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Pyrat Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I'll have to agree with Petee, I've got one and it is the best balanced, non-custom, sword I've purchased. The Charles Towne Few - We shall sail... The sea will be our empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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