Tartan Jack Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 (edited) One of Foxe's posts on size: From- https://pyracy.com/index.php?showtopic=10853&view=findpost&p=266912 As with so many things, it depends on the size of ship. The following sizes were recommended by the Navy Board, September 3, 1694, and approved by the Admiralty two days later: Ship..............................Breadths (11") in the hoist.....Yards in the fly. Sovereign, Victory ...............................30........................16 Ossory, St. Michael................................28.......................15 Russel, Grafton......................................26.......................14 Resolution etc........................................24.......................13 Dunkirk etc............................................22.......................12 Advice etc..............................................20.......................11 Charles Galley etc.................................18........................10 Yachts....................................................16.................... .....9 Ketches..................................................14..................... ....8 Advice boats..........................................12.........................7 So in terms of naval ensigns of the period it might be anything from 11 x 21 feet for the smallest vessels up to 27'6" x 48' for first rates. It should be noted that these measurements were introduced as a result of captains and admirals complaining that their ensigns were too small for their ships, so prior to that date it can be assumed that ensigns were generally smaller. FWIW, this scale of sizes was worked out by simply using the length of ensign post for the hoist, and the distance between the taff rail and waterline for the fly. Foxe "With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707 Edited May 24, 2010 by Tartan Jack -John "Tartan Jack" Wages, of South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 You go Lady! Excellent!!!!! "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted May 24, 2010 Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 We took a little in when it was pinned and the center seem lost a little, but I think it's about six feet by ten. I'll measure the whole thing upon completion. I plan to run it up a flag pole when it's done to see if it will carry in a decent breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 For those who don't know . . . Flags of the period were HUGE. For an ships ensign, that would actually be quite small. Most were more like 20-30 feet long. For larger ships, even bigger. In the film Master and Commmander, look at the size of the flag on the French ship. That is pretty typical of the period, not as over-sized as many think. In reality, 3x5 is tiny for a ship flag and wouldn't hardly be visible at any distance. Signal flags were about 9x9 and they were supposed to be strung up in "chains" (several at a time on one length) to convey a message. The Nationals were much, much larger. Take a look at this thread on ensign (main national flag on a ship) size: https://pyracy.com/in...showtopic=10853 William, It looks good! I like. How big did it end up? 2 double widths would make it about 10' at the hoist and how long? Note the important distinction French. They used really big flags. You don't see flags that big on other nation's ships. It's always interesting looking at paintings of ships. An artist who knows ships will have the flag flying forward. Artists who are not familiar with sailing will have the flag flying back. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Jack Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Very true. -John "Tartan Jack" Wages, of South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. J... Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 OH MY....THAT IS HUGE.........ARE YOU BRINGIGN THAT ON TO THE FORT????????????? IF SO, WE WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST FLAG THERE....... YO HO Yo Ho....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silas thatcher Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 are we gonna need some poles for that ??? the way things are going, i could possibly get one or two, or three... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 We may put it up as an awning, strung up as a shade or covering. If you have the room, then bring extra poles. If we don't use them for the flag, we'll use them for musket stands or we'll pioneer some other use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 The flag is complete and packed up for the trip. That one goes in my carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Does it actually fit in a carry on? Godspeed to the lot of ye "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 It fits comfortably inside one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 sniggering...That's some carry on... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Jack Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 It fits comfortably inside one of these. Missing the guns . . . Fix: -John "Tartan Jack" Wages, of South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 Over the weekend I painted two separate flags for the Santa Maria gathering in Columbus, Ohio and the St. Louis Pirate Fest. Both flags are 3' x 5' canvas. This is the first time that I've painted a two sided flag and I didn't take a single picture of them, so send us lots of pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silas thatcher Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 pics will be coming !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Got the flag in the mail today! It looks great! I'm kind of packing for this weekend this evening, so pictures will have to wait until early next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted September 17, 2010 Author Share Posted September 17, 2010 Excellent. They were mailed a day apart, so the other one should arrive tomorrow. Keep me updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Jon Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 There was no breeze but the Mercury flag "flew" at several locations on the Santa Maria over the weekend. Jonathan Washbourne "Jonathan Washbourne Junr of Bridgwater appeared in court and was ordered to pay £5 fees and charges or be publicly whipped 20 stripes for his abusive and uncivil behaviour to Elizabeth Canaday Late of said Bridgwater by Thrusting up or putting of a skunk under the Cloaths to her Naked Body And then saying he had Done the office of a midwife." (from The Plymouth Journal, July 1701) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted September 22, 2010 Author Share Posted September 22, 2010 My thanks to everyone for shooting so many pics of the flag in so many places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Jon Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 A little more of the Mercury was seen on board the Santa Maria - Jonathan Washbourne "Jonathan Washbourne Junr of Bridgwater appeared in court and was ordered to pay £5 fees and charges or be publicly whipped 20 stripes for his abusive and uncivil behaviour to Elizabeth Canaday Late of said Bridgwater by Thrusting up or putting of a skunk under the Cloaths to her Naked Body And then saying he had Done the office of a midwife." (from The Plymouth Journal, July 1701) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silas thatcher Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 mad anne bailey gracing williams creation at fort de chartres, fall fort.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted November 9, 2010 Author Share Posted November 9, 2010 Thank you for the photo. It's nice to see the colors represented in so many ways at so many events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jim Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Now go fly the big one at PiP...and post pictures. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 Now go fly the big one at PiP...and post pictures. Funny that you should say that, because I made a formal request to fly our very flag over Fort Taylor at least once during the event. I should know by week's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madPete Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Now go fly the big one at PiP...and post pictures. Funny that you should say that, because I made a formal request to fly our very flag over Fort Taylor at least once during the event. I should know by week's end. and we'll light her up with this at night! Aye... Plunder Awaits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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