capnwilliam Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 So mates, if this be the Armory and the section about guns, why no topics about the REAL pirate guns: the ship's cannon, aye? Jim "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theM.A.dDogge Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 well technically....once the cannon is on board the ship...its now called a gun....and vice versa.....but im bein picky..... BRING OUT THE GUNS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oderlesseye Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 (edited) We shot this Cannon last week end at Ojai.. Fun it is to wield such a powerful gun.. I'm just learning about them myself. Edited October 5, 2008 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 well technically....once the cannon is on board the ship...its now called a gun....and vice versa.....but im bein picky.....BRING OUT THE GUNS!!!! Point well taken. Madodgge. I was just trying to be certain that they realized that it WAS the big guns I was referring to. Jim "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 We shot this Cannon last week end at Ojai.. Fun it is to wield such a powerful gun..I'm just learning about them myself. Beats muskets and pistols by a nautical mile, Odorless! I'm going to start posting some serious ship's gun stuff. My cannon crew is getting back in practice, and this will be a good thing for all of us. Jim "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theM.A.dDogge Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 spent 14 years corproling a full battery of 6 and 12 pounders....a cival war era...Bat G 2nd Ill Light Artillary.....even had a few originals the the actual Bat G used in conflicts...a cival war decendant of the Bat G..... damn i miss shootin em...got to shoot em live a few times also.....whoooo hooo!!! post more pics.please.....i'm lookin up a few night shots we took years ago..... is it gittin hot in here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascabel Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 One of the neatest cannon experiences I have had is the privelege of firing an original 7 inch Brooke rifled cannon at the Confederate Naval Museum in Columbus, Ga. It uses 5 pounds of powder per shot as a blank load. Normal live load was about 15 pounds, variable according to projectile weight. Quite an earth shaker !!! >>>> Cascabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk the QM Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Now that takes me back. Awwww... Do my eyes deceive me or do I see #2 man and #3 man running away? God, I miss the worm. #2 is by far the best position on that gun. #1 looks like a vet, still standing but leaning back just enough =). Some say #4 has the most fun (lanyard) but I say NAY! tis the loading, worming, and dry sponge that was the most fun (and the most work out). And for you dirty pirates, #2 gives a left arm work out (to balance you out, wink-wink). Just out of curiosity, would that by chance be one of the Richmond Howitzers guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oderlesseye Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 (edited) Eye got to yank the lanyard on this shot and was naughwt "running away" Eye was turning counterclock wise as I pulled on the Lanyard... The Cannon is civil war era..wot type..I know naughwt... Here is a better shot of it with Grey Dog ... Edited October 6, 2008 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graydog Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The Cannon is civil war era..wot type..I know naughwt... That is a full scale reproduction M-1841 six pounder cannon on a US Civil War Carriage. We fire 1/2 pound of Black Powder per blank charge. The organizer for the Ojai Pirate Fair contacted our Master Gunner (Who owns the gun) to get a relatively large cannon at the fair. It's way out of period (like 120 years) for GAOP. We are in the process of getting the barrel (all 1,000 pounds of it) on to a period naval carriage so it will look a lot better than the current presentation, but of course the barrel will always be out of period. -Greydog Why am I sharing my opinion? Because I am a special snowflake who has an opinion of such import that it must be shared and because people really care what I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Dragoon Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Is that a cannon in your pants or are you just happy to see us! sorry I just couldn't resist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk the QM Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) Eye got to yank the lanyard on this shot and was naughwt "running away"Eye was turning counterclock wise as I pulled on the Lanyard... The Cannon is civil war era..wot type..I know naughwt... Here is a better shot of it with Grey Dog ... Yaaaar then you DID have fun =). 3 and 4 are switched from what I'm used to. Your spot would have been standing around doing nothing after the charge been primed. So I thought to myself, "Hey! He's scared of the bang". Hehehe glad to see that's not the case. The guy on the right corner of that shot (where you can only see his arse) would have been the lanyard man. Those things are a blast, aren't they?! Hey Graydog, was that a Yaaaaar! picture or were you searching for a breeze =) Edited October 7, 2008 by Thequartermaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 I knew we had some cannoneers on here after all! Wormer's my favorite position, when I'm not being gun captain. My crew's 1815 era, though. We don't understand all this CW "No. 2" stuff! Jim "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theM.A.dDogge Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 though i too loved to worm...dont know why just got into it...we also took great joy in ramming the round home....with a slighty wet...slightly sludgie dry sponge on the other end of the ram....and took bets on how filthy we could make the poor corporal with the resulting spray who's job it was to hold the thumb stall.....he would call for "RAM"...then duck his head...for he knew it was commin!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Lasseter Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I've been on many a gun crew, and worked every gun position... I can't say I favour any one over the other... Here's some images... 1750s french field piece, with a very motley gun crew. Firing said piece. (this was a multi time period event, notice the ACW crew in the background) Firing one of Master Hawkyns guns at a past Pennsic. More Pennsic guns. Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 One of the neatest cannon experiences I have had is the privelege of firing an original 7 inch Brooke rifled cannon at the Confederate Naval Museum in Columbus, Ga. It uses 5 pounds of powder per shot as a blank load. Normal live load was about 15 pounds, variable according to projectile weight. Quite an earth shaker !!! >>>> Cascabel WOW! We normally fire a six pounder with about an 8 ounce blank load, but a couple of weeks ago we fired an 18 pounder with 2 pounds of powder. I was worming, and the concussion literally blew my hat off my head! Five pounds? Love to try it! FIFTEEN pounds + projectile? Don't even want to think about it! Jim "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 I've been on many a gun crew, and worked every gun position... I can't say I favour any one over the other...Here's some images... 1750s french field piece, with a very motley gun crew. Firing said piece. (this was a multi time period event, notice the ACW crew in the background) Firing one of Master Hawkyns guns at a past Pennsic. More Pennsic guns. Firing a medley of cannon from various eras all at once: my idea of heaven! Jim "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Thighbiter Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) While not as big as some of the pieces here, we have a jolly good time firing ours at Pirate and Renaissance faires. No ball though :-( Edited October 8, 2008 by Capt Thighbiter Pirate music at it's best, from 1650 onwards The Brigands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 'Day, te ye Dorian. Thanks for posting a couple of pics of my pieces. The red one is Voice, an early 17th century piece, the blue one is Cricket, a 15th century piece. I also have Morning Glory, a mortar, and Nightingale, a swivel on a wheeled carriage. Pics to come of them as I can. Strange to see Voice here this mornin g, for as we speak, she sits in the yard having fresh paint put to her, in preparation for the Imperial Acadamy of Gunnery, an SCA event just north of Allentown, PA, this weekend. http://www.eisental.eastkingdom.org/events/gunnery/ Pay not so much attention to the class list, that is the list of non gunnery topics. I am teaching cannon safety and matchlock drill, and others will teach on other subjects. Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk the QM Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) I knew we had some cannoneers on here after all! Wormer's my favorite position, when I'm not being gun captain. My crew's 1815 era, though. We don't understand all this CW "No. 2" stuff! Jim Well, I'm sure every group is slightly different and some probably don't use the numbers. If memory serves me correctly, I'll go down the list (just for fun) 1. Looking down the barrel, stands on the right side of the gun at barrel's end. Before Fire: Ramming the charge with ram end of the wet sponge. After Fire: Wet sponge for sloppy awesomesauce. (extinguish embers and quick clean) 2. Looking down the barrel, stands on the left side of the gun at barrel's end. Before Fire: Loading the charge (Ding Dong) after a hand delivery from the powder monkey. Yes powder monkey was indeed the correct term. To my knowledge, never given a number, but if I had to.. I would say #5 man who just stands by the ammo cart all day… boooooring (perfect job for the noobies). After Fire: Worm (cleaning out the Ding Dong wrapper) and dry sponge to clean out the sloppy awesomesauce. 3. Looking down the barrel, stands on the left side of the gun's rear. Before Fire: Priming wire. This is the guy with the long brass pin with a ring at the end. Slams this down the wire to puncture the charge and open up the ding dong (delicious). After Fire: Vent pick to clean out any crap that could cause a fowling or misfire. Usually helps #4 insert and hold the primer. (Only until #4 has the lanyard snug, otherwise the primer wants to pop out while #4 walks back to firing postion). 4. Looking down the barrel, stands on the right side of the gun's rear Before Fire: Hooks the lanyard to the primer. Yaaaaa, that's about it. After Fire: Stands there until Before Fire: Lazy buggers! 5/Powder Monkey: Stands by the ammo crate and runs powder Before Fire: RUN MONKEY RUN! After Fire: RUN MONKEY RUN! 6/7/8: No reenactors needed but in Civil War they would prime the actual ammunition. Many rounds would have punch holes which had numbers on them. This is to open the round to allow fire in and ignite a fuse. The charge would then explode (say at 200 yards) instead of relying on a direct hit. Pretty nifty. Gun Sergeant: At gun's rear but slap in the middle. These guys also generally make fun of us (in good sport) and act as a bridge between officers and peons (I mean privates/corporals). They also crack wise at the officers, bringing us peons great joy. Before Fire: Aims and elevates the gun barrel. After Fire: Looking pretty with those 3+ stripes. Also, making fun of us and cracking wise. Tips: When #4 and using the lanyard, place the handle between your knee and hip on your leg. Instead of yanking the lanyard, keep your feet in the same place but turn left. Sometimes we'll yank the lanyard but loosen the tension and sometimes the lanyard hook will bounce out of the primmer hoop. Embarrassing. Everyone should use gloves at all time. Welder gloves are perfect, except for #4 where deerskin help with the delicate nature of the job. Why so much Brass everywhere? It doesn't make sparks unlike steel or iron, hence a much safer experience. You don't want that priming wire setting off a charge, now would you? Perks of artillery. When you get that sloppy powder/water mix on your clothes, it turns GREEN! Bringing character to your gear. Also, used primers pinned to your hat also give you more character. Yaaaar I love to write long posts and I hope you mates like reading them =) Everyone, feel free to message me or post with questions. A trip down memory lane =) Edited October 8, 2008 by Thequartermaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stynky Tudor Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Eye got to yank the lanyard on this shot and was naughwt "running away"Eye was turning counterclock wise as I pulled on the Lanyard... The Cannon is civil war era..wot type..I know naughwt... Here is a better shot of it with Grey Dog ... That cannon was so SWEET! Especially the aftermath choirs of car alarms sounding off from across the other side of the lake - fricken beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oderlesseye Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) A two pound swivel gun aft on the Californian Theses were in the battle against the Surprise as well The HMS Suprise giving us a volley broadside OMG that was a fun day! Edited October 9, 2008 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Dog Crusher Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Mates, I'm looking for a good picture or diagram of a Linstock. Between work, home and friends I would like to attempt to make one. Nothing fancy, but sturdy. I know that there are a few sites where I can buy one, but what's the fun in that? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Davey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Thighbiter Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 We made one with: 3/4" oak dowl 3/8" copper tubing ( the bendy kind) 3/4 to 3/8 reducing coupling, copper, the sweat fit type. file a groove in the 3/8 end of the red coupling to fit the OD of the 3/8 tubing, so it lays 90 deg from the axis of the coupling. bend the tubing carefully into a J, dont kink it. Solder in place. Attached to the dowel with a few brass screws. Viola! Linstock for about 10 bucks. Pirate music at it's best, from 1650 onwards The Brigands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk the QM Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I just want to add that i envy NO ONE on a ship gun =). That picture looks very uncomfortable especially after hour two of firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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