Dutchman Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 http://www.sfmission.com/cgi-bin/gallery/i...sa.jpg&img=&tt= found this link. interesting. maybe someone can link the actual picture for me? i wonder how they happened across this gem? anyone able to decipher the writing or give an attempt to "read" the meanings of the symbols?
CaptainSatan Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 The Flag of Barbarossa The War flag of Kheir-ed-Din Barbarossa. Now in the Naval Museum Istanbul As we say in Ireland let's drink until the alcohol in our system destroys our liver and kills us.
pyrateleather Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 Read the topic title and thought it said "Barbossa", I had to click to see why this was in Twill. Interesting flag... I too would like to know more about the symbology and text. http://www.PyrateTradingCompany.com
Dutchman Posted June 12, 2008 Author Posted June 12, 2008 me too. i had to do a doubletake of the name when i saw it then doublechecked before i posted it. i'm not even sure which way this one hangs. it looks like it hangs as posted. if you tip it over so the white edge is leading to the right the star of david is off. if you have the white strip to the left the hand is upside down. an interesting obsrvation is the right hand. in some cultures it is obscene to offer or use the left. what in the world is the divider looking object in the middle?
Silkie McDonough Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 It is all symbolism left by the the gods that left us here. The same ones that built the pyramids and such. Call Dr. Daniel Jackson! (SG1 ...yes my scifi geekieness is showing ...and yes I know this is Captain Twill.) Now back to reality ...it is fascinating. Does ANYONE have an educated guess?
oderlesseye Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 I'll take a stab at this... And my guess is it be Free Masons....from the tyme period of the Crusades where soldiers were sent from Western Europe to fight / convert Moslims on the mission to claim the Holy Lands In the name of Christianity. http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand."
casketchris Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 Read the topic title and thought it said "Barbossa", I had to click to see why this was in Twill. i did the same thing Nautical acquisition and redistribution specialist
Coastie04 Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 From the Turkish Naval Museum webpage: Used by Barbaros Hayrettin when he was Commander-in-Chief (1534-1546) of the Ottoman Navy, the naturally patterned green fabric of the silk flag is embellished and appliquéd in white silk. The decorations consists of the "Fetih" Chapter from the Koran, the names of the four Caliphs of Islam, the Christian symbol of the Trinity, the divine hand of God, and the Jewish Star of David. Dimensions : 287x200 cm There are also many other great things to explore on that website, including clothing, a 17th Century galley, weapons, and more. I had quite an interesting time going through it. And now for some teasers... Terracotta and glass hand grenades Pasha Çıplağı" Outfit, 18th-19th Centuries 17th Century smoothbore naval gun Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail
Coastie04 Posted July 2, 2008 Posted July 2, 2008 In looking further, I found the following similar flag and description. Also of interest is the large flag flown by the Turkish Admiral Barbaros Hayrettin Pasha, with various symbols reflecting his tolerance towards diverse races and religions on the sea. The flag carries the "Fetih" Chapter from the Koran, below it inside crescents are the names of the four Caliphs, at the middle the Christian symbol of the Trinity, at its left the divine hand of God, and at the lower center the Jewish Star of David. This symbolism is a reflection of the Ottoman admiral's acceptance of sheltering the three prime religions of the 16th-century Mediterranean. Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail
LadyBarbossa Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Hmmm... most curious artifact. The one symbol is used by Masons, The Christian Trinity symbol.. oh, now that is interesting. But the Jewish Star of David baffles the hell out of me since the Barbarossa brothers were Muslim supporters! How odd indeed! Love the description and makes it all the more curious about that time and era and what was going on. A bit of an oddity since some of what's been said the Barbarossa's loathed the Christians and Jews! How odd they fly that particular colours. :::shrugs::: Intreguing... most intreguing. ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous!
Capt. Bo of the WTF co. Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Thanks Coastie! Great stuff as always. I want that cannon! By the way, I was wondering what Willie Nelson and Gary Busey had to do with Twill at first. (The movie Barbarossa, one of my favorites!) Bo
Fox Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I assume that the masonic symbol you're referring to is the large device in the middle of the flag? It's not the same thing. The Masons use a similar device showing dividers or compasses, but the symbol on the flag is a Muslim one, known as the Sword of Dhu'l-Fakar. The sword was apparently owned by Mohammed himself and was blessed with magical properties. The presence of the six pointed star should not be surprising. In Judaism it is the "Star of David", but it has been used as a symbol by countless cultures other than the Jews over the centuries. In Islam it is often associated with David, but David is not a purely Jewish character and is revered as a prophet in Islam. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
1stMate Matt Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Wow that cannon is out of this world. -1st Mate of Pirates Magazine -Bladesmith/Owner of That Works Studio http://youtube.com/thatworks thatworks.shop
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