michaelsbagley

I am so envious... Captain Sterling, that is an incedibly array of toys, clothes, books etc....

Having just moved from a large apartment of my own, to a mid-size apartment with my lady, I had to give away, sell, or just outright dump many of my belongings... Moving from one country to another helped force this mass disposal of my precsious goods....

But I have finally talked the woman into getting a larger place, so while I have no real workplace of my own for the moment, when the lease to her/our apartment runs out in a few months, and we move into a larger place, I will again build myself a sanctum to my hobbies!

All told, I think I would prefer Williamburg as well... Even though tt would be an additional 2 and a half hours of a drive for me... From all I've heard and read there would be more of interest to me in Williamsburg than Gettsburg...

Now to play Devil's advocate with myself, from what Kass said about Gettysburg being cheaper for conference space, and just knowing that the event being in Gettsburg would likely draw a larger American Civil War crowd, I think it would probably be better for the interests of the RF 2.5 to have the Festival in Gettsburg...

I heard about it through a Dark Age Saxon and Norse group... Alhtough from some of the talk on thier chat board, it sounds like some of the group's member also do black powder re-enacting and have links in those communities... Not sure if they also do American Civil War, American Rev-War, or 1812 stuff (or all of hte above, or something else entirely)... But it sounds like a great opportunity to help spread pirate re-enacting in the lmostly land-locked mid-west...

Cool!

Heres to the oversight of others for the purpose of your claim to fame!

I think I'm going to have to vote for Elizabeth Swan.... Or does she count as a pirate?

Otherwise I would have to say Barbossa.... Geoffrey Rush just plays a hate-able character far too well...

Not to throw a wrench at your monkey Rumba.... But couldn't there conceivably be a "STAR WRS" liscence plate in each state?

I just moved to the USA, so I don't know if liscence plates are unique within the whole country, or if each state has it's own run, and hence there could be 50 "STAR WRS" liscence plates...

I do hope that no steals your plates again, and certainly hope that no one tries to steal your whole truck to get the plates...

Cross Posted from a yahoo forum for those who may be interested.

Forest Glen Timeline Event Scheduled!

Posted by: "Folo Watkins"

Thu Jan 4, 2007 8:23 pm (PST)

I received word yesterday that the timeline will be held on the weekend of 28 April, 2007! Please feel free to pass this information on to anyone or any list that might be interested.

Forest Glen, the site of many AWI, ACW, pioneer, wild West and medieval

(among others) reenactments is attempting to hold its first timeline event.

There will be period camping, modern camping and space for demonstrations & battle tacticals. The public is invited. Sutlers, crafters and other vendors of living-history goods are also welcome! If you, your unit or your group is interested in participating, drop us a line. Further information

may be found at http://www.advancenet.net/folo/FGTL.htm

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MidwestTimeline/

Cheers, Folo

Ya know reading this thread helped save me a very big "Ooooops!"

My girlfriend has been insisting that we attend the Star Wars Celebration IV (we are bothe big fans, perhaps her a bit more than me though)... So the first post in this thread mentions that the event is in Las Angeles.... Both my girlfriend and I have been under the impression that the event was going to be in Las Vegas.... I'm glad we haven't booked flights or anything like that yet.

I'm hoping the fact that the event will be in LA rather than Vegas will quell her constant jokes about a Star Wars themed wedding... I hope she was joking, specially about the part where she wanted me to play the role of Amidala for the ceremony.

So as I will now be in LA over Memorial Day weekend rather than Vegas, does anyone know of any piratical events happenning in the vacinity at that time, just in case I get a bit Star Warsed out...

^ = My ripped jeans and a T-Shirt (I was tempted to be very naughty with this)

< = My favourite T-Shirt is a picture of the Pilsbury Doughboy with the quote "Poke me and Die!" on it....

V = Describe your favourite T-Shirt? (Kind of a dull question, but I'm half asleep from working all day)...

Sorry there was a bit of a misunderstanding on my part with regards to the wooden swords as well...

Reading through the description of the wooden swords, I saw the word "rattan", and automatically assumed they were designed and made for SCA use, and did not even think of singlesticking, which is what you were referencing.

My apologies for not reading more thoroughly.

I've not personally bought from any of these...

But, I have heard of the first two (Popinjays and Zen Warrior), both have a good reputation (from what I have heard), but I have heard more good things about Zen Warrior than the other...

As for woodenswords, do they even carry anything other than wooden swords? Not very period looking in my opinion... Great for SCA style stuff, but probably not the best choice for a more Living History environment.

I've been looking into getting a safe fencing blade for this era as well, as well as some others, there is a thread called "A Functional Cutlass" in the Plunder section of this forum that has some other links and options... Although some of the links and swords mentioned in the other thread are sharps, there are many references to fencing or combat safe blades.

Good luck in your hunt, and please do share your thoughts on whatever you do decide on!

Thanks for sharing the recipe Cpt. Sterling!

Since this talk has digressed a bit, I have a friend who has been pining over a good Welsh Rarebit recipe for some time... I helped her look around online for such a thing a short time ago, and we did find a few receipes, but I'm not sure if any of them were quite right.

If any of you would be willing to share your recipe, I'm sure my friend would greatly appreciate it. I may even give it a go myself. You can Private message me the recipe, or if you would prefer post it in the appropriate section of the pub as I'm sure there would be others that would appreciate it as well....

I found this on the web about fruitcake.... Which means it may not be a reliable sourcce....

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Cak...s/Fruitcake.htm

1700s - In Europe, a ceremonial type of fruitcake was baked at the end of the nut harvest and saved and eaten the next year to celebrate the beginning of the next harvest, hoping it will bring them another successful harvest. After the harvest, nuts were mixed and made into a fruitcake that was saved until the following year. At that time, previous year's fruitcakes were consumed in the hope that its symbolism would bring the blessing of another successful harvest.

Also I found this timeline of foods which may be interesting to some...

http://www.foodtimeline.org/

Again a web source, so it could use some primary source confirmation... I randomly checked a few of the links on the timeline, I found at least one of the links leads to a photocopy/scna/photo of a newspaper article that is dated to 1685, and at a glance most of the other links seem to cite sources...

CrazyChole,

You've got a perfectly valid point... But there is another way of looking at things...

At a re-enactment or living history event, you can be the rock star, or the educator.

The combatants do get the most attention and draw the biggest crowds, but they get asked the same handful of questions (for the most part) over and over again.

The crafts-people and artisans draw much smaller crowds, but they tend to draw better more focussed crowds that ask more interesting questions...

I've been on the battlefield many many times, as well as done more esoteric skill or craft displays, and to be honest, I prefer the smaller crowds and more engrossed conversations of the small crowds than answering the same handful of questions about weapons and comat dozens of times over and over again.

Hope this helps shed a new light on possible offers you a new perspective on things for you.

Oh, for an online source of manuals on how to do these dances, you can see this web site....

http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/Del/www....ntry_dance.html

The web site explains the steps, has sample music, and bibliographical notes if you are interetsed.

I just had a quick look through the source Kass quoted, and I recognize a great many of those dances...

I learned a great many of them at Pennsic.... and if I am connecting some unrelated dots in the correct manner, it seems that "English Country Dancing" is what is correct for the GAoP.. And if so, many SCA groups know and practice these dances despite the fact that they were created after the period the SCA generally covers.

And if I have connected the dots correctly, it would seem that I am already somewhat schooled in period correct dancing for the GAoP... Great for me, but on that note, the SCA would be a good way for anyone interested to learn those dances. I am not generally a big advocate of the SCA (nor do I naysay it).... I should just stop there before I put my foot in my mouth and just state that the SCA is a good place to learn English Country Dance.

So I've been thinking too much, and I started wondering if there were any colours that were particularily popular to the GAoP.... And would certain colours be significantly more or less in cost and have class issues attached to them?

I don't know a great deal about the GAoP yet, but I'm thinking by that point in history, the fabric/dyeing industry would have developed to the point where most colours are obtainable, but it's still early enough that I think certain colours would be easier or harder to obtain and hence affect the price thereof and possibly have class connotations attached to them.

I'm specifically wondering about ochre... I have a few spare yards of ochre (dark mustard coloured) wool that I am thinking of making a jacket and/or waistcoat from and was wondering if the colour would be at all innappropriate.

Any thoughts would be appreciated,as I would liek to know more about fabrics, colours and the like from the period just for personal knowledge.

Not that this statement will break your heart, but I will probably go with both options....

I am striving to have some authentic pirate garb done for RF2 in February, for at least myself, but I will eventually want to get correct the patterns for garb for the misses... Or are the patterns for shift in the 1600s package the same or very similar to what will be forthcoming in the GAoP package in a month or so as well?

I see that you have added a great many more pictures of the fabrics on your site since I last looked a week or so ago as well.... Very nice stuff....

So I'm going through the Reconstructing History web site today, and checking through various posts on this forum trying to decide the best route to go for making myself some GAoP garb, and gearing up to place an order when I get my paycheque later today...

And I notice something is missing...

Not to complain Kass, but your Reconstructing History site doesn't seem to sell a pattern for a period shirt. I looked and you sell shirts already constructed, but for the die hard do it yourselfer, I didn't find a pattern.

Am I not looking in the correct place? Or is this an item that is "in the works"?

I think I am just about decided on what I want for myself as far as everything else goes (pants/slops, waistcoat, jacket/coat etc.)... But I will probably require a shirt to wear under and with all of that, and I would prefer to make it for msyelf.

If you don't have one or have plans to release a pattern in the not too distant future, could you direct me to a source? Or will my option be to take w wild stab at it or purchase a premade item?

Thanks for any help or advice you can offer!

Kass has a very good point,

I've seen paralells to this discussion in other period discussion boards as well, particularily Norse/Viking...

It can be proved that the eye glasses were not invented or worn until much after the Viking period, but there are those wgo want to be apart of Norse living history events who can not function without their glasses, and for one reason or another can not wear contacts... Rather than this particular debate being about the fact that the Norse Vikign did not wear glasses, someone shose to twist the discussion into about exclusionism.Why did someone make something that completely about facts that were known, and twist it to be about something it was not? Who can say.

I know this thread is not exactly like the example I have just made, as the hairs in this thread are being split a little closer, but the attitude about the debate seems to be going the same way.

Some are coming from the standpoint, of advocating doing only what we know WAS DONE in period at liviing history events. Others are coming from the standpoint of what they beleive to be reasonable extrapolation being acceptable at living history events.

The problem lies in the fact that you will rarely find two people or groups that agree on what and where the lines of resonable extrapolation are.... So ultimately, this conversation is moot, as each event coordinator will set the guidelines for their event, and people will particpate or not based on their beleifs and preferences.. Each group or individual will design their gear and garb based on their desire to use all facts and documentable items and outfits, or they will base their garb and gear on, it existed in the time frame, and it is not unreasonable or that unbelievable for someone in that timeframe to have such an item or piece of clothing.... It's two different approaches, compatable in some circumstances, not in others circumstances... We are all supposed to be hear to share info and have a good time, let's not let the difference in approach between different individuals or groups make things unpleasant.

I hope this has helped clear matters up and hasn;t fanned the flames....

Reading this thread has raised a number of questions in my mind, assuming a fair sized re-enactment is happenning with reasonably equal proportion of men and women present, I undertsand the stance of having only one or at the most two female pirates for the sake of authenticity (specially if portraying Rakham's crew), but if a generic crew was being used, would it still be reasonable to have a female pirate or two (to display the full range of thing in the GAoP)? I know this essentilly goes to the preference of the event organizer, but lets for the sake of discussion assume a relative standard in GAoP Living History events...

Secondly, what would the other women portray that would hold to authenticity?

I've read a bit on the Pirates in Paradise thread that suggests that other women would be portraying "women of the evening" or other female vendor types that would or could reasonably exist in a pirate camp. But what other options are there? I know this will somewhat depend on the "scene" of the re-enactment, but a quick list of options and likely common scenarios would really help me get a better grip on what to expect from a GAoP living history event.

Any suggestions or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Well I didn't get much in the way of piratical gear...

But I did get this really cool Pirate Nutcracker....

The first thing I thought of when openning it was (doing best hollywood piratey voice) "Arrrrgghhhh.... I'll bust your nuts!"

I also got a great t-shirt with a neat Jolly Roger on it.

Thanks Kass,

I figured the canvas would come only in the one colour, which is fine... I was asking more about the lighter hemp fabrics, such as the twills and tabby (I particularily like the herringbone twill)...

I am looking more for blue and grey as, I've kind of adopted those colours as what I want for my pirate garb (see my profile photo of me in fantasy pirate garb)... I'm not dead set on any particluar shades or tones of blue or grey, but I do prefer light to medium greys, and brighter blues (not so much on the navy blue).

And I really wanted to throw in an additional off-topic "pot" shot during that inquirey, it just seems that all the good puns had been used already.

Thanks GoF...

You answered the questions perfectly...

I did mean fabric lining though... I was wondering if the red tongues were possibly red fabric linings, as the red portions seems to be only on the inside part of the tongue and only shows on the portions where the tongue seems to be rolled out (I hope I'm making sense).

But now seeing those other pictures of shoes that you posted, it looks more like as you said, that the red tongue is just paint and not some sort of lining.

But it is interesting that there are fancy fabric covered shoes (for the wealthy anyways).... I don't think I would ever bother trying to make a fabric covered shoe (it's probably beyond my skill) and it also probably really doesn't suit any kind of pirate or privateer impersonation anyway.