Jack Roberts

Right Capt'n, North I-95 Robbie, north.

I saw those. They look great!!

I think I might cry if it was the Scotch. Mission you like Scotch?

Ummmm... Bud Light "Golden Wheat" The worst part is, I kinda like it.

A little later but try this...

Eighteenth Century American Almanacs

Hey I had supplies!

Well I tried...

See the details on your performance below.

Physical Health

Good heavens, this is colonial life in 1628, not the Donner Party! Your Company is falling apart at the seams. Many colonists will die shortly after your arrival in the New World. Your decisions regarding the health and welfare of your Company members are plainly and simply disastrous. You can feel relieved however, that you probably won't have to endure colonial life for that long ... you probably won't make it to spring.

Morale

Your Company is a bit fearful of what the future may hold. More than a few of your colonists doubt your decision-making abilities. You will need to strengthen your leadership and raise your Company's spirits if your colony is to succeed.

Supplies

Your supplies are not as robust as they could be, but your Company is in decent shape. During your voyage, you made some rash decisions, and wasted some valuable supplies in the process. You will need to be more prudent in the future, or it will spell certain disaster for your colony.

Ship and Crew

Your ship has come through the voyage to the New World battered and bruised, but most importantly, in one piece. The ship's crew sneers at your attempts to control their behavior, and seriously doubts your ability to build a colony in the New World.

Future Success

Your careful rationing and thoughtful decisions will serve your colony well. You have arrived in the New World with a limited but sufficient storehouse of supplies. Your Company will be able to build homes, plant crops, and trade with Indians until the next ship of colonists arrives.

Well I enjoy trying to relive the past and seeing how people lived long ago. Twill is the place to do that and discuss the finer points of it. What I don't like is when someone comes in and says that we're all idiots and we can't know for sure and you can't tell me how it "really" was. Ok true we might not be 100% correct or overweight or not the right height. That shouldn't deter us from giving it our best shot. Something about living it (or at least trying) helps me to respect where we've come from and gives me greater appreciation for the lifestyle I've been blessed with.

Liam McMac Icon

Posted Yesterday, 09:42 PM

All I'm saying is that it's best to argue among others who share your hightened passion for it and not look down on others who are not so dedicated.

One Eyed Willie---- Out

Like Foxe said that is what Twill is for. I try very hard not put a Historical standards lens on other areas of the Pub.

Sometimes the threads I start have a Historical slant because that's what I make most of the time. Like Foxe said Twill is the place to argue the living crap out of the details.

I'm sorry you don't post much anymore Foxe. It's good to hear from you though. Glad you still check in from time to time.

Looks so good Dutchie! I wish I lived closer. I'd come by and help.

Mee tooo

At the next event, I'm coming as pyrate Elvis.

LOL I'm coming as a Somali Pirate complete with an AK47!!

There were a hundred variances on basic garments, and folks prefered one style over another. I have found documentation of common folk wearing wooden shoes but I doubt many people would make a big deal about that because... who wants to wear wooden shoes?? Although it is a fact.

It's all about preference as long as you don't look like a polyester Errol Flynn in thigh highs with red and black striped MC Hammer pants. If you look the part for the general time period and have correct fabric... who cares how your seams are? Or pockets... or closures.

If you are participating in an acctual historical battle or some event to that effect... then yes, please be as correct as possible.

otherwise.... blah

Cool thing about the wooden shoes. I've heard about them but not researched yet. Please post the info you've found and lets start a new discussion. I would love to know more about them. Because if they were worn often I would probably wear them. Please post what you've found. I'm really interested. Even if I don't wear them, I would love a pair to have on hand to show people.

Referencing the polyester Errol Flynn look comment, to me having a 1770 waistcoat for a 1710 pirate is just as bad. (I'm not trying to be mean here, just stating my opinion.) After studying many period plates and patterns I can see the differences in the cut of the clothes. When I see things out of period it just looks wrong. I guess if your going to do something with any historical accuracy go all the way. It's taken me 3 years to finally get something fairly close. Something I can feel comfortable saying is an accurate representation of what they would have worn back then.

I've found a group of people that feel the same way and I play with them. Doesn't mean I can't play with anyone else cause they have different standards. I'm sure Liam you've found a group that feels the same as you.

I feel, here in Twill, that it's what we are here to do. Nick Pic! Some of us get a kick out of knowing that our seams are correct. Our prickety stitches are on. Not everyone does but that's how some others play.

To Red-Handed Jill;

The can be damned! Open the worms!.... ummmmm, never mind.

What I was trying say was I feel this,Twill, is a safe place to let the worms out and roam free. Trying not to take things personal.

I agree with you that a good portion of reenacting is about replicating the skills involved. I don't have the privilage to learn how to sail. Nor have the space to actually fire live ammunition for target practice. (or even own any weapons to do so. ) Someday I hope to but I can't right now. But I do work on what I can. Such as rope work and thoughts and mind sets of the period.

As to a lot of conversation about the clothes and no actions. For me when I don my kit it feels like I'm jumping back in time. For me wearing a facsimile of period underwear actually helps me to "get into character." Not for everyone but it works for me. I know the Archangels discuss a lot about the skills and mindsets and how to present them. I know of several threads here in Twill discussing plenty of other things besides clothing. Just look down the first 2 pages of the Twill section. It does seem to dominate the conversation cause it the easy thing to point at and correct. Skills and mindsets take time to develop. Heck the whole historical pirate reenacting scene is relativity new.

This is a topic on which I have to comment. For the most part.... the only clothing that was ever recorded by writing or by artwork was the clothing of the well-to-do... I.E. the gentry and the wealthy. The dress of common folk was rarely mentioned and rightly so... like the common folk had no need to remember how "common" their clothing was. Therefore it is simple logic that 90% of the clothing ever worn by common folk was never recorded at all and I'm sure that they made their own clothes. In my research I have found that at times, the clothing of common folk did not even come close to resembling clothing that was en vogue.

There were a hundred variances on basic garments, and folks prefered one style over another. I have found documentation of common folk wearing wooden shoes but I doubt many people would make a big deal about that because... who wants to wear wooden shoes?? Although it is a fact.

It's all about preference as long as you don't look like a polyester Errol Flynn in thigh highs with red and black striped MC Hammer pants. If you look the part for the general time period and have correct fabric... who cares how your seams are? Or pockets... or closures.

If you are participating in an acctual historical battle or some event to that effect... then yes, please be as correct as possible.

otherwise.... blah

Well to counter some of your points.

On the surface it seems that that what was only recorded but if you dig a little deeper you will find many examples of common clothing.

Just a few examples:

Gunnister Man

Slightly out of period but close:

Harlots Progress

Criers and Hawkers of London

Also bear in mind that second hand clothing was extremely popular.(even third and fourth hand) Were would this clothing come from? The wealthy and gentry's cast offs. People also tried to mimic the fashions of the time.

More too come gotta run for lunch.

I know I come into Twill with a different attitude than any other part of the Pub. I come in with an "agree to disagree". I feel this is the place to come and argue the finer historical points of the hobby.

Yep I was thinking the same thing

I feel a merge coming.

i was one of the so cal pirates who made my slops based off of yours i did mine curved for the fact that it fits better (for me) and i think looks better.

i agree twill can be a double edged sword...

But how else are we supposed the learn and grow? It kinda the point of Twill if you ask me. You just gotta have thick skin and try not to take things personally. Which is tough over the web and with the written word.

LOL I never thought of that. I bet they did. Know I really like that scene when I think about it that way. Thanks Mission.

That is a difficult thing with this time period. (GAoP) There isn't a lot of "hard" evidence.

Also clothing is in a transitional period. I think Patrick's slops are great and yes a lot of what wear and use as props are an educated guess.

There are actual examples of patterns used from the period. From those and period depictions we can get a feel for the "look" of the times.

I certainly can see a difference between a coat of 1700 to 1720 and 1720 to 1740. But to say,"We can never get it 100% right, why try?" (maybe I'm reading into the subtext to much. I mean no offense.) Discussing weather the "butt seam" (Ha I said butt seam) is straight or curved is part of the fun for me.

Patrick Hand Icon

Posted Today, 12:26 AM

(I like TWILL... but there is so much we do not know.... )Some times I grow Tired of having to explain wot I am wearing.... when I can't.... just my best guess.....)

For asking you to explain what you are wearing and why is a way for me to understand how you came to that conclusion. I would want to know the path you've traveled and what you are using for a basis of your theory. You might have resources that I haven't seen or thought of or a different way/ or experience things with your kit that I haven't yet. I don't usually want to point out what is wring or right with the item in question. Most of the time I want to know what you do and stockpile it with the other stuff I know. That way I can share with others or improve my kit further.

PS I think the butt seam should be curved, the straight one just rides up something terrible.

I think the rub against the "Sparrows" is that many of us have seen too many bad ones. I grow tired of them but I can't really complain.

It was Sparrow that got me into Pyrates in the first place. I do feel there is a place for them. Heck I still even do a Hollywood impression from time to time. It just get tiring of seeing so many at every festival. How about some originality? I know that's how I feel about it.

I guess I'm assuming that when we say "Standards of Authenticity" we are speaking of historical basis for the standards. I would use a different term for those that are more of a Hollywood impression. Along with the assumption that we are speaking of GAoP. (Roughly 1680 - 1720)

Some the basics I'm thinking of are things like Linen shirts, wool and linen as primary fabrics, no fall front breeches, no bucket boots. Stuff like that. It could even extend to camp tools and props used. If saying no is too much perhaps we could discuss a list of stuff that is acceptable and not mention the "no's". As always this list would be subject to change as we find new information.

Well what a fabulous thread. I've had fun reading it. I just hope my reply doesn't bring the intelligence down.

I feel the bane (actually more like the, fun) of this particular time period is that we are trying to find something to reference "an Authenticity Standard" too.

I think some basics could be determined but others are still open to interpretation. We just don't have enough reference material to prove something one way or another.

Perhaps as a group we could discuss what we feel is Acceptable, In Question, or Not Possible. Or maybe that is too much. I think it would inspire some great discussion and some re visiting some old ideas and theories. I think we as a group would handle something like that. Heck look at this thread, we are still friends.... right??

Hello???

Oh dang I think I just got pushed to the outgroup...

If memory serves me right that is a Spanish document for Spanish sailors. It's some of the only evidence of boots that I can remember.

I've kinda discounted it only because I'm not doing a Spanish impression but I would love to research more. I don't know the Spanish language so it's hard for me to research some of those items. Still the document in question is a very interesting one.

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