Red_Dawn

Sorry about that; didn't realize the links weren't working for you.

The card brawl

Brouwer's other brawl

Van Ostade's knife fight

ETA: Sorry, looks like I'm experiencing some technical difficulties. I'll take care of it in a moment.

ETA2: Fixed it.

I found some tavern brawl pics.

Peasants Brawling over Cards by Adriaen Brouwer

Streitende Bauern in einem Wirtshaus by Brouwer

Brawl by Adriaen van OstadeThis one has knives!

If it helps, I have a list of period English names on my blog, including surnames. It's not an exhaustive list, and I can't vouch for how common most of them are, though it might be possible to take a good guess. Other helpful sites are the Medieval Names Archieve (they have names from the early 1600s), British History Online, or a really good genealogy site (for example, Alliance-Généalogie was a great help for finding French Names).

Don't forget the other nations present in North America, too - the French, Spanish, Dutch, Basque and Huguenot.

I'm starting to regret dragging my feet on putting up my other name lists. They need a lot of work, though, before they're ready for the internet.

Or "What do you think about those recipes that recommend pigeon's blood and water made from boiling "new welpt puppies."

I would love to see the look on their faces if you actually did tell them that!

PseudoPseudohistory in terms of mixing in cult-like stuff such as freemasons and templars - thanks to cable educational channels - have been popularized in the mainstream. It's the "Jones-Da Vinci" syndrome I would call it. If it can be made to look exciting like something in a Indiana Jones film or Da Vinci Code book, the public will eat it up because it allows people to escape and imagine for just a little bit - plus people are attracted to "oh, history may be different than what they taught in school - but in a cool way!" The odds would say that someone who believes in this kind of stuff will eventually end up reenacting.

Yeah, I was afraid of that.

For my personal experiences in this, I got plenty of it when I was a Civil War reenactor, and especially when I did my undergrad at Gettysburg College. You can guess what kind of stuff I encountered in those situations. Frequently, those events are large enough that those kind of people can be avoided.

Funnily enough, I first started wondering about revisionist re-enactors when someone on the writers forum who was a Civil War re-enactor bemoaned how "revisionists have written the bulk of the history of the Civil War". He also mentioned some other things that made me wonder if he was of the Poor Innocent South Vs. the Evil North school of thought, but I was too scared to ask.

I posted this here because it's a general re-enactment question and not just a pirate question. Feel free to move this thread if I put it in the wrong place.

I've been curious about something for a while, and This Publishing Fiasco had me thinking about it again. Have any of you ever encountered a re-enactor who was also into pseudohistory. Not just some guy who took his history cues from Disney; I'm talking real, agenda-driven, eff-those-hidebound-fools revisionism. Like someone doing the pirate-freemason-templar in all seriousness. Or perhaps a WW2 re-enactor who denies the Holocaust - out of character. How do you handle it? Do most re-enactment groups have rules that prevent such nonsense?

Serves me right for freaking out like that!

Now that I've calmed down and am not worried about my identity anymore, maybe I should feel sorry for Redd Dawnn. They might've watched the same crappy commie invasion movie I did and couldn't think of a better name, either.

So I have nothing to worry about? I won't need to change my screen name or anything? That's a relief!

This person is not me.

WTH?! Redd Dawnn?!

Now what should I do?

Remember Jacques Cousteau? Or seen his son Jean-Michel on PBS? This guy has!

Technically not the cutest thing I saw today, but I thought this was the best thread to put it in.

And then Cybertron declared war on Earth.

OK, then I want a quadcorne. Or a unicorne.

I've got your unicorne right here! I don't think it's period correct, though.

On a serious note, I've heard earrings were either rare or non-existant among sailors.

Wow, the presidential wiskers on that bunny... looks like the 21st President, Chester A. Arthur.

Jas. Hook

Hey, you're right!

I would gladly for you, bun-bun!

Thanks, guys!

And with this kind of clothing hiding sex would not be impossible http://www.clipart.d...e_pirate001.jpg

There is typical sailors clothing (None sash is not very accurate).

The sailors' clothes were loose, easy to disguise a well binded chest... As long as she took care to not be seen by anybody naked... Including going to the head when nobody was around... It worked.

So as long as she wasn't built like Dolly Parton, it could work as far as the clothes go.

I don't know how much scandal was really caused by Bonny and Read. They were notable at the time, certainly, but they weren't disguised in the sense that they didn't hide the fact they were women, they simply wore men's clothes from time to time for practical reasons - as other women also did without creating uproar. It was notable because it was unusual, but not scandalous. Even women who did actually disguise themselves as men were usually either treated as a bit of a 15 minute celebrity or just ignored.

Does this mean she'd simply be treated as a woman with poor taste in clothes? So much for her hopes that wearing men's clothes would keep the men's hands to themselves. Groin punches will definitely be in order.

Most of todays "extremely" active sports atheletes say that their body actually stops menstrurating ...or will go several monthes anyway....while in heavey training....and ships life would be just as ...ah....athletic...

So that would be a good method of detection for about a month or so after she joins a crew.

One of the characters in my stories is a female pirate. Went to sea disguised as a man, got found out, still dresses as a man. Classic cheesy background.

What would being disguised as a man with anything resembling success entail back then? How could they hide some of the more noticeable female activities (once-a-month issues, why "Bob" doesn't use the head the same way the other guys do, etc.)? If it helps, she's tall for a woman, somewhat small-chested, and has an alto voice (think Toni Braxton).

Also, what did society think of a known woman who dressed as a man? Crazy weirdo? Loose woman? Lesbian? What would they think of any alleged boyfriend of hers? Anything else I should know?

Thanks!

Rat - it's what's for dinner!

How would like a pork chop?!

HIIIIIYA!!!

What a little cutie!

Congratulations to you and yours.

I checked his recipe for smallpox medicine; it involves white wine and sheep dung.

Where's a disgusted smiley when you need it?

Snoopy cussed them out good, it's lucky he's using signs there coz it would've been X(R?) rated...

Well, Snoopy is an SOB.

...also he does a version of 'The Cuckolds Horns' in that scene (1min 18) Erect wiggling fingers above ears. If he'd been in France f'real the driver behind would've shoved a baguette where the sun don't shine =o)

Sounds like all I'd have to write is someone flashing a cuckold sign and hilarity ensues. Would it have a similar effect on the unmarried, with implications about either future spouses or their mothers?

"Then there's the flicking the thumbnail with the teeth 'Biting your thumb' from Shakespear "I will bite my thumb at them; which is a disgrace to them, if they bear it."

Is that one obscene? Because that would make two scenes in Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown even funnier.

Problem with hand gestures is that they do vary from country to country, like the 'talk to the hand, is rude socially in the US and UK but do the same to a Greek, especially with spread fingers and you've got a fight on your hands as it's s'posed to imply that they have a choice of 5 fathers or essentially calling their Mum a slapper/slut. Hitchhiking thumb or thumbs up for okay in UK US is a sexual insult in Greece and Sardinia

Oh my!

The scenes took place in France after car accidents. At about 1:10 Snoopy bites his thumb (among other gestures) at the offending drivers.

Gobbing or spitting towards someone still is pretty offensive to most cultures.

Didn't realize that could be considered a gesture.

I remember when I was in the Navy we had a talking to.....apparently cheering for the bull in a bullfight in Mexico is not in good taste. Whod thunk it?

The nerve! Next thing you know, they'll tell you not to cheer on the bulls in Pamplona.

Thanks, guys!

Which 2 finger salute? If you are thinking about the 'Archers salute' the idea that it's from Agincourt is a 1960/70 construct, as an offensive gesture it's certainly at least 17thC (His wife … Behind him forks her fingers. Sir John Mennes and J. Smith, Witts Recreations, 1640) but possibly as an adaption of The Cuckolds Horns, which is extending the fist with the forefinger and pinkie extended and the middle fingers doubled in( think the 'devil horns ROCK N FLIPPING ROLL!' symbol against your forehead), which implies that the person being insulted is a cuckold or their Missus does favours for sailors

Yeah, I was referring to the archers salute (i.e. the backwards peace sign). I've heard about the Horns, too, though I didn't know putting it on your forehead was a requirement.

Then there's the flicking the thumbnail with the teeth 'Biting your thumb' from Shakespear "I will bite my thumb at them; which is a disgrace to them, if they bear it."

Is that one obscene? Because that would make two scenes in Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown even funnier.

Mooning goes waay back too, Medieval

I forgot about mooning. It looks from the last two picture like it was chiefly a woman's gesture?

Dogtober at I Has a Hotdog!

I think this one's the cutest:

But this one's my favorite: