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Grymm brings up a very important point, not only time, but nationality and personal preference would determine what you did with cosmetics.

If you decide to go looking for period cosmetic supplies, I can recommend Ageless Artifice. Katie Cannon is now making a face whitening compound out of zinc instead of lead, which appears to work well on those I have seen wearing it (including Katie herself). And a rouge pommade as well as the liquid, for those afraid of spilling. She has done tons of research and even historic sites are carrying her products now. How cool is that? http://www.agelessartifice.com/ She no longer does web based sales, but you can contact her about what you need. Jen

Thanks for that, Diosa. Watching the video of the tornado coming in had my inner child heading for the tornado shelter in the back yard (and wishing we did that on the east coast as well as out west). It is wonderful to see how everyone pulled together with such a great sense of humor, and how the community pitched in to help. Reenactors are such a supportive and resilient bunch of folks! That goes double for Pirates I have to say that I have never seen so much extreme reenacting in all my years of living history as the last two. Really starting to prefer solid walls

Not a tag line, but I just realized how well the chocolate stone will fit in with the Mayan thing *G*

Well, sure, it's not evidence of their actual existence in the time period. It's a costume book by a theatrical costumer, and therefore evidence of someone's imagination and creativity within a historic framework. Actual evidence comes from primary sources in the form of artifact (an item that can be dated to the time), written description by someone who lived at the time, or artwork of the period (not illustrating the period, but by an artist _from_ that time period) when it is clear the artist isn't taking too much license with the subject. Art work can be tricky that way, and it's necessary to be aware of fashion trends in art work, too. You can do much better if you are looking for historic clothing books. Not as cheap, but you usually get what you pay for in these cases. Jen

The thing to note here is the direction of the stripes. Not sure if the artist is taking some license here by adding color or not. Otherwise, this can be done as a sort of ribbed knitting pattern.

Hey folks, The American Duchess has a new shoe style that would work for the GAoP called the Pompadour. She is currently taking pre-orders. I have heard mixed reviews of her other shoes, but the only person I know personally who has a pair loves them and spent all day at Ft. Frederick Market Fair shopping in them and was still a happy customer. While these are not a historically accurate reproduction, they offer yet another option. http://www.american-duchess.com/ She's also posted a tutorial on how to measure your foot to get the correct size (well, it was on Facebook, not sure about the website). Jen

I seem to remember that toxicity issue, too, but don't remember how it was overcome. Fermentation? Roasting? Where'd you leave that NatGeo?

Much of what is written in that time needs to be looked at with an eye toward the speller's dialect, or the dialect of the people being written about. Non standardized spelling is a wonderful window into the writer's own dialect sometimes. Manyoko could have been a local dialect, or a different grammatical form of the word where a non-native speaker might not understand. Or the term could have evolved among the native peoples between then and the 20th century. Lots of reasons why it wouldn't have been in that form in Google.

Also known as manioc, or manioc root (similar root word). This I remember from grade school or middle school social studies regarding South American indigenous peoples, because as a child I liked tapioca pudding. Check out this article: http://www.foodreference.com/html/art-yucca-root-manioc-cassava.html

Nope, no details in the books upstairs. However, I did ask about this last summer at one of the CW tailoring weekends when someone on this forum asked me, and either Neal or Mark said stripes aren't appropriate. And since they cover Jamestown as well as CW, it's not like their info is OOP.

That was what I was trying to get to on the other thread. Could be a structural thing, but without examining the garments themselves, how can we tell? Hmmm, will to see if they show up in any of the new books I brought home from Ft. Fred and haven't read thoroughly. Could take a bit, they're on the other floor and I'm on one leg at the moment.

Just caught up on that on the other thread. Interesting, but as you pointed out, not English or Colonial. I'm thinking maybe the stripes have a purpose? Without being able to see differences in thickness, etc., it would be difficult to tell if they're decorative or not. I guess it would also depend on if they were intended to be worn under or over the knee breeches. We may never know. That the horizontal stripes not going the entire length of the stocking is something to consider. Whatever the case, they shouldn't be as common as represented in reenacting. Eye, it's still a very spiffy outfit!

Yeah, we talked about this a while back, stripey socks are not period correct. But a great look! Well done!

Those kind of look like some boots my husband is considering. He thinks they're made by Robert Land. I'll have him check for vendors if you're interested. I know I've seen boots like that around somewhere. Jen

Not sure about men's fashions, but red shoes for ladies were high fashion at one point If you look hard enough you'll probably find a man or two in artwork sporting them as well.

Weren't these tokens (when used as local currency) also used by taverns and the like? Seem to remember that from my Annapolis archaeology days.

Umm I did not get what you mean. if you mean that striped breeches were not used then what is this from slop clothing: " Striped Ticken Breeches of proper lengthes, lined with white linen, and two linen Pockets, with Sixteen Black Buttons, the Button Holes stiched with Black Thread, at the rate of five Shillings each ". Sorry but English glossary of sewing is not my strong skill... No, I meant that the painting did not appear to be a period source. If it is not art work from the period, and you're trying to get a period accurate look, this is not a reliable source. I was not disputing the use of ticking in clothing.

The man in the front with his back to you on the left looks like he is wearing a coat. The man with his back to you front right, with the belt around his red garment, appears to be wearing a sleeved waistcoat or jacket. There is a noticeable difference between the two styles. The man in blue also appears to be wearing a coat. There appear to be ticking stripes breeches on a couple of the men. But this does not appear to be a period source. There are stripes, and there are ticking stripes. Whatever they are, they will be woven into the fabric, not printed or embroidered. Ticking was often used for durable things like mattress covers and bolsters.

Thanks, Grymm, I was about to post the one from Glasse Perry on Savory Fare sent me. My copy is buried in the pile o'stuff in the spare room while we paint.

Hmmm, all my books are piled up in a spare room while we paint, so I'll see if anyone I know in another forum can sort this out. Pannadons sounds like an anglicized version of something else, that's for sure. Hopefully Grymm will jump in here with an answer, he has a great wealth of understanding with these things.

I seem to remember this being covered in another thread not terribly long ago. Because I responded with information from an article by Ivor Noel Hume that isn't in this one. Any way to consolidate these? Jen

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