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Swashbuckler, the nets your refering to, on the sides of 18th and 19th century ships are for the storage of crews hammocks. The hammocks are rolled up during the day, and placed in the netting, if any combat were to occur, all of the hammocks would help protect the crew from grapeshot, and small arms fire. As for how far back the practice goes, I know it was at least done in the early 18th century....but im quite sure it goes farther than that, ill look in a few sources.....

god i want to go......i will try......as i have the past two years...lol

happiest of belated natal days to our Mr.fox...! many more, have a drink for me...now........

thanks landlubber........and thanks for you input fox, and dutch, i know a guy who does a really good sailmakers impression, and though he also thinks it is more than likely that it is a sailmaker, he just wanted to be sure.....hes helping me out on research etc......dutch, not exactly sure how i want teh bench as for yet....im positive id like it to be rather simple though, ill speak with you on the matter this weekend...id like to have something doable in time for mta.....(i still have that sail you started).......

here is a question for landlubber......do you have any info on that plate?.....someone more experienced than myself, has a feeling that it mmmiiiggghhhhht be a tailor.....and just wants to be sure......

oh this is like friggin candy now....so.....we have found now that the bench hook can be replaced with a clamp....and overall tool trays and slots dont seem to have been put on benches yet.......i have also found that sailmakers palms are not the same in the 17th century as the ones you see in the later 18th and 19th. if you look at my original image youll see that the palm only goes around the middle section of the hand.....doesnt go around the thumb at all....an example can be found at the chatham dockyard, off of the invincible 1758......but i cant yet find a gggooood picture...if anyone lives near by.....*cough*......as for the bundle like tubes in the image backgrounds, i am very sure are rolls of canvas with were shipped in rolls (o know #4 canvas was 25 inches wide and in rolls like that....thanks cj!).......im working on getting the info about canvas weight and all down right now, hopefully ill be able to flesh this out a bit........thank you so much landlubbersanonymous ....your plate, may have just made me a bench!

great job, thanks mr.brand!

thanks for linking it, there are some great prints in the set!

Well, coming across the above (dutch 17th century i believe.....no idea what is says...) image reminded me that i am in need of a sailmakers bench....and tools that accompany it.......does anyone have anything on sail bench ? i can find all the 19th century things in the world.....but not so much on 18th or 17th century..........

wow, the "sea phrases" section, is a little gold mine!

great idea Dutch....ill have to get some picks of some of my stuff as well.......but now i wonder.......if your trying to steals me job........

it upsetts me that i cant get a hold of barlow's, or coxere's journals.....despair............the internets has faiiiiiilllled me......

facebook says so as well....so this must be truth.........glad to hear of yee animal........

i need to move to florida....so much to do....great kit as always Mr.Henry.......i dare say that, soon enough, you'll have kit for almost any era..........

.........iv seen an artist interpretation in an osprey book, that for sure shows the bag as being leather........

indeed mr. cyphers mmmmaaakkkeess rigging knives, and that puts him above the rest.....especially sense i want his knife...lul......

i dont think you looked at any pictures of myself....or CJ especially....there arent many times that either of us dont have a marlinspike and knife on us.....though like mark, i at least, do tend to wear it around the weskit.......under my jacket........

your part is to be captured.....tried.....and han...pardoned.....dirty pyrate.....

i will also co-sign that it would seem in most cases....unless guilty of being a leader in, or extremely involved in pyracy(or just too troublesome and "free spirited" to deal with)....black pyrates were simply sold off........its a lot easier, and profitable to do so instead of hanging...though im sure a few of them might have wanted the first option............i do hind of strange that Hendrick Quintor was hanged, yet John Julian was sold off....and Mr.Julian turned out to be quite a bit more trouble than many might have thought him worth....even for a profit......

i am inclined to agree with him, i personally think, that when in need of man power, a slave...or recently freed african......seems a perfectly necessary, and great choice...but i also think that pyrates were men of their times, and perfectly prone to the actions of such....when profitable...that great labor choice, now seems a great opportunity for a quick buck....and then add the factors of personality, morals etc. etc. you almost can make any broad statement about the treatment of black pirates...or slaves...just as you cant about the motives of the pyrates themselves.......im quite sure blackbeard was in the slave trading business...but when the opportunity arouse in the 18th century,who wasn't?(i do realize that some wernt, i just used that phrase to make a point).... and thats what i think.....you all may realize that there is a reason i joined an english privateer with a captain who has a hateful grudge against slavery...........

that would be John Martles men......January of 1717 , st. Croix...John Martel and his gang had gone apirating, and come to st. croix for a careening......unfortunately(for them) the HMS Scarborough spotted them and began firing upon them......when the warship retreated slightly, the pyrates tried to flee in Martels 22gun galley John & Marshall...but ran aground...so capt. martel ordered the ship burned...with 40 slaves in the hold......out of the 40, 8 did escape but that begs the question of if the 8 were chained, or being used as manpower........some of the group was later rescued by Bellamy, and La Buse...some were taken by the return of the HMS Scarborough...... Coolin Woodard in "The Republic of Pirates" theorizes that perhaps slaves of good english speaking were more easily accepted by pyrates, while those who spoke their native tongue might have be treated more as cargo, and less likley accepted..........

Great talking to you Daniel.....quite a joy to get neerd and not have someone get bored and try and run away lolololol hope you can make it to more events so i may pick your brain.........thanks to everyone for the great weekend...ill see most of you if not at beaufort,than at pip, or next year.....keep well all till then....

Yours &co.

Isrl. Cross

i like the part where we scream guns of hampton!...lol

i just mean that the boat has gotten aallloott farther along than that picture....as a matter of fact, he couldn't even sling it up like that anymore............all hail the shipwright!

as to try and answer the question of the legal status of renegades who "turned turk".....there was a young man, son of a bristol merchant, who after being a slave and converting to islam, rose to become the Dey of the Algiers treasurer(a dey is simply the ruler of an area). It is given in an account that in 1586 he interceeded on the behalf of a few englishmen who were to be sold as slaves, making easier the process of their ransom,and return to europe. I have this from an excerpt from The Barbary Slaves by Stephen Clissold, though the excerpt doesnt mention the former slaves name......or Clissold's sorces.......in he also goes into a bit about former captives becoming pyrates as fox mentioned.......he also describes that upon converting, they often had better opportunities than back home, and converted sailors were much valued for their experience and he writes were "promoted accordingly"......take that as you will.........So it would seem, that status wise, converting to islam gained one a good footing...though im sure that wasnt aaalllwwaayyss the case..........