Captain Midnight Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Ahoy Mates, Does anyone know of a commercially (or otherwise) available pattern for a coat appropriate for the years 1710-1715 that would be fairly easy for a novice to assemble? I started to buy the "Jack Sparrow" pattern from Simplicity, but I really prefer something that is completely historically accurate instead. Any help would be so greatly appreciated, and me thanks in advance! "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 you can use the patterns from Waugh's The Cut of Men's Clothes. I will worn you though, that they really are not meant for the novice. I welcome you to check out the resources on my pirate website. I have a lot of info on Men's clothing and some examples of Justaucorps that you might find helpful. Pirate Clothing GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Midnight Posted September 12, 2005 Author Share Posted September 12, 2005 GoF, Your web site is an outstanding asset to us reenactors, and is very helpful and informative! Thanks for the hard work you've put into it to help us better our impressions. What type of buttons would be best for such a coat? 3/4" plain brass domed? "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_MacNamara Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Here's a pattern for a 1750's coat. I know it's a little late for what you're wanting, but I would think it's at least closer than the halloween costume patterns available. 1750's Coat Captain of the Iron Lotus It is the angle that holds the rope, not the size of the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Midnight Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Thank ye, Cap'n MacNamara, that is a good link. I particularly like the coat shown in the middle, I just wish it was a little closer to my time period. However, you are indeed correct: it is much better than the Halloween patterns! "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Awwww Geeee ****BLUSH**** Thanks for the kind words about my site. It has turned into a labor of love. I would like to point out though, that It includes a lot of information Gleaned and/or pirated from some of the members here. A special thanks to Black John (his group's Photos litter my site), Ed Foxe, and David Rickman for their tireless pursuit of 17th/18th century history. What type of buttons would be best for such a coat? 3/4" plain brass domed? This is a sticky wicket as well. I guess my best answer is "it depends". Here is a great link to buttons recovered from wrecks and various sources, a lot are Spanish but this will give you a good idea of what we are talking about for GAoP Early 18th Century Buttons If you are making an every day regular blokes justaucorps/coat, then Pewter, Brass or Copper would be good. In my opinion, Earlier Coats (ie GAoP) had smaller buttons and they progressively get bigger later in the century. I would choose 3/4 inch buttons like18BC101 & 18CB103 For really nice silk, velvet, or nice wool "Gentlemen's coats, you are going to need passementerie buttons. They are basically, domed wooden molds covered/wrapped in metal (gold/silver) wire or you could do fabric covered buttons.... more to follow gof Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 A special thanks to Black John (his group's Photos litter my site) Hey man, it's your group too! I just wish you were here to enjoy it with us! My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Midnight Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Thanks, GoF! It looks as though my idea of plain brass domed buttons was not too far off base! Thanks again! "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMike Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 The Simplicity pattern leaves much to be desired, both in layout and method of instruction. Basically I altered the pattern to that of a historical 1700 coat pattern obtained from "The Costumers Manifesto" website. I reviewed period pictures for more specifics on buttons, cuffs, pockets, seam lines, etc (GoF's website has some great stuff, as does Kass McGann's). Unfortunately, all I have at the moment is a digital phone camera of my work in progress and the pics leave much to be desired- http://www.geocities.com/flpyrate/projects.html To be done- sew on sleeves, fit and alter as necessary, order buttons, sew buttonholes (28 or so), hem raw edges, etc. Yours, &c. Mike Try these for starters- "A General History of the Pyrates" edited by Manuel Schonhorn, "Captured by Pirates" by John Richard Stephens, and "The Buccaneers of America" by Alexander Exquemelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Egad! I think that i have been going down the wrong track a bit on my short jacket construction... not to bad a setback but a lot of needless button hole sewing (for those of you who do em by hand, you will feel my pain!). My interpretation of the shortjacket was that the cuff slit was closed via a pocket like flap. Now while I have seen this in paintings/pictures of GAoP Justaucorps coats, on common sailors coats (and indeed a lot of justaucoprs) there is no additional "pocket" flap, just button holes and buttons on the sleeve itself. I love/hate research! Here is what I am saying... take a look at the sleeves of the guys on the left side Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Looks to me like many of the common short jackets have simply a slit at the cuff, with a button on one corner of the slit and a hole on the other. This would allow the sleeve to merely hang open if roominess was desired, or it could be rolled back and buttoned so as not to catch on stuff, or buttoned snug around the wrist area....is that about right, or am I way off? This is of particular importance to me for a painting I'm working on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Greg, here's a link to the Dutch Captain... http://www.piratebrethren.com/sailor2.jpg And fwiw, links to a 1730ish coat... http://www.piratebrethren.com/coat/coat001.gif http://www.piratebrethren.com/coat/coat002.gif My apologies to the gov't of Canada... My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 On behalf of Her Magesties Government in Canada.... THANKS Cool links that I have never seen before. And the larger C & Boy pic helps too! The boy has a single button closure on his jacket, and the Captain has multiple buttons but no pocket flap closure on his justaucorps. Whew.... lots of sewing and resewing tonight.... GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMike Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 GoF, I think there may be some short jacket details in the pictures of Anne Bonny and Mary Read. Also, there are several period pics on Foxe's website. Status of hand sewn coat project- sewed on sleeves and cuffs. Finished hem on front facings of coat (fits nice). To be done- hem bottom of coat (tonight), cut out and sew pocket flaps and pockets. Order brass domed buttons, sew botton holes... See the latest work here- Pirates of Massacre Island http://www.geocities.com/flpyrate/projects.html Yours, &c. Mike Try these for starters- "A General History of the Pyrates" edited by Manuel Schonhorn, "Captured by Pirates" by John Richard Stephens, and "The Buccaneers of America" by Alexander Exquemelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Midnight Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 Ahoy Mike, Can you describe to me in detail exactly what it is that you altered on the Simplicity pattern to make a correct coat? If it is simple detail, I could buy the pattern and make the alterations too. Thanks! "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMike Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Captain Midnight, Basically I cut out the Simplicity pattern, ignored the instructions (which leave much to be desired IMHO), and used common sense tailoring skills. I added material to the back of the pattern to give it the flare or skirt like appearance of historical specimens and period pictures. GoF has an example here- http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/images/j...orpspattern.jpg The Costumers Manifesto http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX1.htm Yours, &c. Mike Try these for starters- "A General History of the Pyrates" edited by Manuel Schonhorn, "Captured by Pirates" by John Richard Stephens, and "The Buccaneers of America" by Alexander Exquemelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 The correct link to mikes site with the latest pictures of his justaucorps is http://www.geocities.com/flpyrate/projects.html Good work mate. You have fast fingers. I am taking my time with the short jacket... I am learning to enjoy sewing though... My personality is the kind that wants to rush through things to get it done regardless of the consequences (like having it look Fkd up). SO I am taking my time with this one. On other fronts... I found about 3 meters (by about 1 meter) of Linen striped ticking, and about 3 meters of blue checked linen ticking, 3 meters of vintage linen, and a 1937 luftwaffe dated blanket at a flea market last weekend. It almost makes up for the fact that I was away from the house, my always on DSL connection died, and my sniper program was unable to get 150 pewter ORIGINAL buttons from the early 18th centruy. They went for about $14... less than TEN CENTS A PIECE..... AGHHHGHGHGHHGHG!!!!!!!!!!! GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMike Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 GoF, Thanks for the head's up, corrected the link. I'm waiting to order buttons, seems some tropical disturbances are interefering with my purchase plans (what else is new in the Gulf of Mexico these days?!?). Kinda sucks having to budget large sums of cash for evacuation purposes... Let's see, I think I began working on the coat the first week of September, do about 3 hours of sewing each night. Screwed up a few times in the process, but hey, like you said, better have it done right then rushing it Think my next project will be a short jacket, let us know how things progress. Yours, &c. Mike Try these for starters- "A General History of the Pyrates" edited by Manuel Schonhorn, "Captured by Pirates" by John Richard Stephens, and "The Buccaneers of America" by Alexander Exquemelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Midnight Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 And you say you made your coat from the Jack Sparrow Simplicity pattern, Mike? Damn! That's an awesome job you've done so far. My hat's off to ye, mate. I must admit that I went out and bought that pattern this evening, I'll just alter it to a more correct style like you did. Good work, mate! "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oderlesseye Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 (edited) Eye have been waiting for months for this coat. we finally got it completed.. Note the mariners cuffs. Edited August 22, 2009 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady constance Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 you can get the simplicity jack sparrow pattern and modify the front and the cuffs to period correct shapes that you desire.... i have both RH and the simplicity jack sparrow patterns..... i used jack sparrow pattern and the shapes of the lines fom RH.... if you are a novice sewer-- your learning curve is going to depend on how much of a quick study you are... if you simply read the directions to either pattern and think to yourself "what the hey?????"... use cheap fabric since you might not like what it turns out to be....doing, hopefully, will teach you more than reading.... i have a few years of sewing{ not even close to decent by tailor standards} but i find that men in general can think inside out and backwards... ummmm....i used the jack sparrow pattern and recut the bell sleeves and reworked the front a tiny bit--- my husband wore it to PIP last year , and the one thing that folks commented most on WAS that coat....... yah dont always have to explain your construced peices to folks--- if they like it,say "thanks!"-- whenyou find someone that you want and desire their opinion truly, you can tell them and take their advice for the next peice you make... would you like to see the jackets i have made my husband????? using both patterns as mere templates and adding to or subtracting from??? and getting REAL technical here, people tend to sell short the patterns from major commercial pattern makers--- i have compared the lines of commercial patterns and RH, and a few other vendors patterns--- THEY ARE SO CLOSE--- a few lines shapes diferent here and there--- but they are so close that after being sewn together and placed side by side, YOU CANNOT TELL-- perhaps captain sterling or mary diamond can, but LOL-- they have YEARS in the business.... you have to ask yourself " am i wanting to be 100% historically accurate?" or "if it is close enough, is that ok for me as a beginner. i shall give myself a time frame to work myyself up to the standards." and one has to remember that there are time and money constraints placed upon all of us.... factor those in too... lady constance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady constance Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 so ------ post pictures when you are done...i would love to see them... happy sewing!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady constance Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 yah know, i have to admit that when i am sewing, i do hate to simply sew aa a commoner-- i want the glitz and bling bling of the wealthier classes of people to imitate.... and i think that is common among all folks entering this pirate re enacting... and it always seem to impress me that the people who really know this craft ,steer us towards common folk... to master that task first.... there is wisdom in that, but there is a bit of boredom in that way from our end... here we are trying to live out a fantasy, and wanting the glitz and glamour of fantasy that we dont have in our daily lives....so we peruse that in our hobby...pirating.... when we dig deeper into levels of what truly was the everyday life ofthe pirates was, we find there was much hard work and very little glamour.... there was BLAH in their daily life and doings--- everything that i have read supports thefacts that people made do with very little.... but no one wants to re enact THAT!! somewhere in your mind, you must decide what youare willing to do and what you are not willing to do to be part of a group....what your purpose in actually re enacting that you are enchanted with,and following your fantasy there-- making what you see in your minds eye, reality of clothing for yourself and those re enacting with you....and what you shall actually be doing at these re enacting events..... if you fall in love with it, you will put{and enjoy doing so!!} up with alot of other kinds of people--and learn alot and choose too stay involved..in the degree that works with your true everyday life...... you will find a group of what i call " good people"...and they make staying worth it.... they will enrich your life in the area of pirating and your everyday life in general..... for me, i simply enjoy learning and the challenges of rising to the occasion... seeing if i can do that...can i master a new set of skills and thinking and doing? yes i can! and i must add that no matter what level another holds for themself and their gear, they ARE encouraging.... and you have to chose what level you chose to re enact at.... most of all you must and will find out if you are comfortable trusting your judgement on mnay things--and that will depend on the research you do indepenedant of the group....some of my best research was not done online, but insewing texts and art books at my local librabry... no one can sway me from what i have learned and read and have seen.... may it be the same for you... no hobby is worth loosing your peace ... find your mantra and say it often..... and remember that behaviours are things people do and not who they are..... you can be upset with the behaviour of another person, and still love the person!! as i always tell my family " we can hate bad behaviour,but we can never hate another person~!!" lady constance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oderlesseye Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) This is a 1750's British Officers coat. All that needs to be added is gold trim around the collar. It is sewn by a novice friend of mine..For her first attempt and for the purpose Eye commissioned it to be made was for other reasons than just "reenacting".. It is first and foremost a fantasy outfit to match my mural in Dead Mans Cove of which Eye have uncannily achieved. The reference material for the pirate in the mural is simply an artist rendition from the book called Piratology. Eye look like the painting. Eye wore it for the first tyme on my 10th anniversary when we threw a party this last weekend in the cove. Eye will post some side by side comparison pictures. Eye do agree that more "bling" can be added when Eye find more information on details. This was before the slops contract was made where no two ships uniforms were alike anyways with this kit. There were over 120 different military units in the 1750’s-1760’s. The other reason for this jacket is for ren fair where Eye and a friend can have some fun arresting pirates. Ultimately, This is all about having some fun... If my job was being a living history person being paid to represent a period of history down to the last thread then well ok..Ya gotta eat so you research something for ten years before a sewing needle can be picked up and threaded. Mean while because that ain't the case...I am taking my time being creative along the way as Eye become more historicly interested in being correct..Though for this item of garb, Eye think this coat is very close to being accurately period to the early 1750's. Edited August 26, 2009 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady constance Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 wooooooo hooooooooooooooo!! buy your seam stress friend some roses!!!! {or more fabric if that delights her more!!} love the photos! love the coat! now you need to photo yourself in it!!! ijustlove it!!! you did good!! :) :) lady constance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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