El Pirata Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 There was a ship named the Golden Hind. I know nothing of her only the name and it seems familiar for some odd reason. Anyone? Pushing the limits means getting out of my comfort zone and giving more when I don't think I have any left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Originally the 'PELICAN', it was Sir Francis Drake's ship in which he did the Pacific Coast pirateing in the 1600's..posts back aways regarding it here somewhere, about the same size as the ROYALISTE...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Frye Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 It was Drake's flagship on his circumnavigation. It was originally the Pelican, but was renamed to honor one of his major backers, Christopher Hatton, the hind figuring in his coat-of-arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Frye Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Good morning, Royaliste. Didn't see your post there. Guess I'm a little slow this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pirata Posted October 26, 2003 Author Share Posted October 26, 2003 That's why I remember it, though Drake died in 1595 off Portobelo Panama. Pushing the limits means getting out of my comfort zone and giving more when I don't think I have any left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie04 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 And, there's a reproduction sailin' around somewhere. Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pirata Posted October 26, 2003 Author Share Posted October 26, 2003 That might be why I was thinking about it. Thanks. Pushing the limits means getting out of my comfort zone and giving more when I don't think I have any left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sage Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Hey Lookee! http://www.goldenhinde.co.uk/ Captain Sage Captain Sage Visit The Pirate's Realm and Blackbeard's Realm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maddox Roberts Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 We've all seen that Golden Hind replica in the movies. It was the Erasmus of Rotterdam in "Shogun" and the Blarney Cock in "Swashbuckler. I saw it in London in '73, floating just off the Tower. I thought, "That's cute. Somebody's build a 1/4 scale model of an Elizabethan ship." Only to learn that it was a full-sized replica of Drakes Golden Hind. You have to see one to understand how small those ships were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Frye Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 SFAIK, no one knows what the Golden Hind actually looked like. I don't believe lines were ever taken, and I don't think she was featured in any period artwork that has survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Carrie Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Originally the 'PELICAN', it was Sir Francis Drake's ship in which he did the Pacific Coast pirateing in the 1600's..posts back aways regarding it here somewhere, about the same size as the ROYALISTE...... The specs given in "Pirates of New Spain, 1575-1742" for the Golden Hind are: Roughly 70 feet long, 100-120 tons. Single row of gunports, seven on either side, armed with 12 cast-iron and two brass cannon, several bow-chasers. Crewed by 90-some men. Yoiks. That's what you call cramped quarters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Carrie Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Of course, the Golden Hind had a few more decks than the Royaliste does! But still...awfully cramped, I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Looks up the portside...."Man, talk about too much freeboard!!!....I guess I'll stick to fast and sleek!!!"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie04 Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Freeboard's over rated. As they figured that out, the decks went away. Plus, it presents more of a target on the broadside. I've seen lumber barges loaded up until the stern was completely underwater. As long as it keeps its water-tight integrity, it's just fine. Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Hi, There are actually several replicas of the Golden Hind, at least four proper replicas and a large yacht shaped like a galleon somewhere in California I think. I have spent some time as curator of this one: http://www.goldenhind.co.uk There are a number of depictions of the Golden Hind which date from the period, and while they all show broadly similar things (3 masts, standard galleon shape etc) they all seem to differ in the details like whether or not the ship had a stern gallery and whether the guns were above or below decks. Foxe Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Frye Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Hi,There are actually several replicas of the Golden Hind, at least four proper replicas and a large yacht shaped like a galleon somewhere in California I think. I have spent some time as curator of this one: http://www.goldenhind.co.uk There are a number of depictions of the Golden Hind which date from the period, and while they all show broadly similar things (3 masts, standard galleon shape etc) they all seem to differ in the details like whether or not the ship had a stern gallery and whether the guns were above or below decks. Foxe Thanks for that information, Foxe. I have a couple of questions for you. It's my understanding that footropes on the yards didn't start coming into use until the 1640's. Does your replica have them? Can you give any insight into how the sails were handled without them, particularly in rough weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Yeah, as far as I know the earliest reference to footropes is from the mid 17th century. The Golden Hind replica I worked on did have footropes on the main-course yard, principally to facilitate getting out to the floodlights mounted at the end of the yards! On smaller vessels, with (naturally) smaller square sails, such as those of the Elizabethan age, bunt lines running from the yard to a block beneath the sail, then back up the other side of the sail to the yard are used for pulling up the sail from the deck. If time was not an issue, eg coming into harbour, then the yard could be lowered, but otherwise bunt lines are actually easier for concertina-ing the sail than going out on footropes. Foxe Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkyns Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Good day, t'ye Foxe! Another question that ye might answer- The earliest reference I have to hammocks on ships dates to the late 17th C, also, after more contact with the Carribbees. Does this square with your info? Thank ye! Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Frye Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 Yeah, as far as I know the earliest reference to footropes is from the mid 17th century. The Golden Hind replica I worked on did have footropes on the main-course yard, principally to facilitate getting out to the floodlights mounted at the end of the yards!On smaller vessels, with (naturally) smaller square sails, such as those of the Elizabethan age, bunt lines running from the yard to a block beneath the sail, then back up the other side of the sail to the yard are used for pulling up the sail from the deck. If time was not an issue, eg coming into harbour, then the yard could be lowered, but otherwise bunt lines are actually easier for concertina-ing the sail than going out on footropes. Foxe Thanks again, Foxe. There is a Dutch painting by Andries van Eertvelt, an image of which is available at the Web Gallery of Art, that would seem to provide a few clues. You have to look at the large version to see what I mean, but I didn't want to overwhelm the thread with it. Just click on the image here: Ships in Peril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Royaliste Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 A short footnote..Not relevant to age, but English vessels had horses(footropes), French vessels did not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracked Carrie Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 This is a post on this thread UTTERLY unrelated to anything serious about the Golden Hind. To wit: I just purchased a new (for me--it's a 2002) Ford Focus. When asked by my boss at work what it looked like, as it hadn't arrived yet, I responded dubiously, "Well...it's gold. And...well...it's got kind of a big butt." After a bit more pondering, I added, "You know, since I've been doing all this piratical stuff, I could name it the Golden Hind. Big hind end. Gold color. Sure, that'd work." And then the miscalculation: "I could name it Hiney for short!" Sure enough, the next morning, I drive the car to work, and what am I greeted with? "Hey there, how's your Hiney this morning?" "Wow...nice Hiney. Good lines." "What a smooth and shiny Hiney you have." Argh. The car is now officially Hiney. I'm just hoping that she doesn't spontaneously break down on the highway, just to show her opinion of the name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Hawkyns, sorry I didn't reply sooner, I entirely missed your post. I have seen records from the 1650s which show several thousand hammocks being stored in the dockyard at Portsmouth, suggesting that they were standard issue on English warships before that date. I have seen reference to hammocks from the earlier 17th century, but not in any widespread use until the second quarter of the century. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorg Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Theres a relatively new book with new info, both political and physical, entitled : The Secret Voyage of Sir Francis Drake, 1577-1580 by R. Samuel Bawlf, Samuel Bawl Fascinating read, with lots of info on life on the Pelican, as well as some apparently contemporary sketches and descriptions.f :) Drop a kitten six feet, and she grins... Drop an elephant six feet, and ya gots yerself a mess ta clean up.... Sometimes bein' the biggest and most powerful is the LAST thing you wanna be..... Mad Ozymandias Zorg the Unsnottered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redvipers Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Theres a relatively new book with new info, both political and physical, entitled :The Secret Voyage of Sir Francis Drake, 1577-1580 by R. Samuel Bawlf, Samuel Bawl Fascinating read, with lots of info on life on the Pelican, as well as some apparently contemporary sketches and descriptions.f :) Sounds like a good read...Thank Yee, Sir.....I'll keep a weather eye for it. Joseph L. O'Steen, Nautical Author Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Finger Jeff Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Several yaears ago, I can't recall how many. You may like rum, but gin is my choice. I went aboard The Golden Hind II in Oakland. You stand there slack jawed thinking that men went out upon the sea in such small vessels. The Spanish say Drake was a pirate, but he was just doing salvage work on ships that were sinking. Finder's, keepers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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