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Pikes, Bills and Hooks

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Anyone have any good pics for Pikes, bills and other various hooks and such?

Since my sword hand has been giving me problems, I'm wondering about two-handed options, which can also be used for demo items....

Thanks again!!!

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A nice poleaxe with a hook...

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More axes...

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An assortment...

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...and I'm still trying to find me one of those handle-hooks that Marlon Brando and all the other longshoremen wear around their necks in my all-time favorite movie "On the Waterfront". :lol:

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By which do you mean a longshoreman's cargo hook, such as this one?

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There is of course the not-terribly-useful-but-ubiquitous Wikipedia article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longshoreman%...%E2%80%99s_hook and a slightly more useful Smithsonian look at more modern cargo hooks at http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/co...object_178.html

I am not sure, however, just how far back the longshoreman's hook goes. 1800s? Certainly. Earlier? I don't know. Anyone have the scoop on that? Anyone know any dated artifacts to push well past the 1850s?

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By which do you mean a longshoreman's cargo hook, such as this one?

Yes, pretty much but the one shown in the picture has a small hook.

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But that still does not answer the question of dates and period. How far back do dockers'/stevedores'/lonshoremen's cargo hooks go? Anyone have an answer?

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Hey... that's a bailing hook...... I used one (well two ) of those to load feed (straw and hay) when I worked in a feed store......

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Hey... that's a bailing hook...... I used one (well two ) of those to load feed (straw and hay) when I worked in a feed store......

Well, as mentioned, cargo hooks have been around since at least the mid-1800s; whilst they are symbolically the icon of longshoremen and dockers [even being the symbol for the 1930s longshoremen's union and strike in the 'States], they have likely been picked up as a useful tool by any occupation which deals with moving bales or bundles, whether a ship is involved or no. I've used one myself [!], but alas, that only dates it back to this past decade or so [grins].

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I have a question about another useful tool-turned-weapon: the boarding knife. Now, when I say boarding knife, I of course do not refer to a knife or dagger used for a boarding action, but the huge, three-foot long blades with the two-foot handle used to flens blubber from a whale:

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I can't seem to find reference to it any earlier than early 19th century, in Boarders Away, vol. 1. Does anyone have any idea of the earliest they were used? They look totally wicked.

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Now that's what I'm talking about!!!!

That would be perfect for demos and if made correctly??? For rough housing!!

Rats

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Well then Rats, start researching to see if they go back far enough... :lol:

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Mr. Bottles is already taking care of that very task Captain!!!

A keeper he is!!

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I've into some problems with the boarding knife. Keeping in mind that it was a specialized tool, and not a general purpose sailor's tool, I have come across a number of records that indicate that whaling was prevelant in the colonies during the GAoP, but I haven't been able to find any pictorial evidence. Can anyone point me toward some period images of whaling? And it need not be english colonial whaling. Acadian whaling images would be fine as well.

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bump...

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Well, since you bumped it...

Lo those many years ago I spoke with the curator of a new england whaling museum (I forgot who) and he suggested that they didn't predate on-board rendering plants, which places them smack dab in the 19th century. And that's why I never made one out a paul chen hanwei rapier blade and beat up Rats with it.

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I found this one from the 1640s.

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An Australian/Hungarian poleaxe.

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The Portuguese foice.

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Some boathooks circa 17th/18th century.

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Ah, I meant the boarding knife.

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