Kaylee Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 I've seen period woodcuts of folks with bandoliers of pistols, and of course pieces just thrust through a belt -- but was anything like the "saddle ring" of the 1800s ever used on the shorter carbines and blunderbuss and such of the period? The concept certainly seems handy enough on a US Civil War era Sharps on a cavalry sling, and I know some folk even use the same idea with the "single point slings" of the M4.. but did it go back as far as pirate days? The earliest I can recall is an 1850's Sharps with a looooong bar and large ring, but surely it originated before that. Do we know when?
Fox Posted September 7, 2006 Posted September 7, 2006 If you're talking about what I think you're talking about then they can be found on English civil war/Thirty years war era carbines. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
blackjohn Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Yep, as Foxe says, those things go back pretty far. The troopers in one of the groups my group regularly fights against, the Baltimore Rangers (c1690s), use a carbine slung on a sling. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together.
Fox Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 And just to prove it... Here's a set of harquebusier's kit, circa 1650, from the Royal Armouries Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Dorian Lasseter Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Very Nice... The Buffcoat... The Mortuary sword... The Carbine... The helmet even... Truly, D. Lasseter Captain, The Lucy Propria Virtute Audax --- In Hoc Signo Vinces Ni Feidir An Dubh A Chur Ina Bhan Air "If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me." Deuteronomy 32:41 Envy and its evil twin - It crept in bed with slander - Idiots they gave advice - But Sloth it gave no answer - Anger kills the human soul - With butter tales of Lust - While Pavlov's Dogs keep chewin' - On the legs they never trust... The Seven Deadly Sins http://www.colonialnavy.org
blackjohn Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Nice pic! By coincidence, Bloody Davy Cash and I were talking about escopetas, and he just pointed this link out... http://therifleshoppe.com/(505).htm This is the typical style, small carbines used on the Spanish Frontiers. Most of the short carbines used belt hooks similar to the ones on pistols to carry these when used with mounted troops. This carbine has the belt hook, but we also have the sling rings and studs from the Spanish Catalan Musket (619) that many reenactors install on them. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together.
Jack Roberts Posted September 22, 2006 Posted September 22, 2006 And just to prove it...Here's a set of harquebusier's kit, circa 1650, from the Royal Armouries Ahh but my dear Foxe do you have any evidence to it being used in GAoP? Well its not in "Twill" So I digress.
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