Gentleman of Fortune Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Cool...no? 1673 Eidt: Big ol' wheel of cheese and bread Wooden bound cask interesting trapazoidal chest large coil of rope? Cool mug for drinkin' Canvas wrapped? Mabe its some sort of textiles... Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Cool yes... can't see much detail on the two chaps in the broadbrimmed hats? or is it just being without my specs at the moment?? Tell me does anyone else see a shoulder knot on the fellow in the black and orange to the right of the picture? and ribbons at the knee? and a sash about his waist? And what say you Kass... petticoat breeches on the guy all in black (or maybe dark blue depending on your monitor...) or is that just a long coat? "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Ahhhh yes I've seen this before. I love it! Thanks for popping it up here Greg. Something I've always wondered about in all these period pics are those nondescript bundles (lower left region) tied up in what looks like canvas and rope. What trade items were typically packaged for travel this way? Clothing? General goods? Foodstuffs? Seems like it would be a fairly simple prop to make for an encampment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I love the web gallery of art. Remember that discussion we had some time ago about red hats... that turned to hats with pipes in them, weird hats, weird things in weird hats, etc. Well, a bunch of the pics I pulled from there came from this site. Go to Cs. Look up Canaletto. He's Italian and quite amazing, maritime themed, though mostly canals, early 1700s. In fact... My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I hear ya John. I have a whole folder of Canaletto pix saved on my HD. GREAT stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Bo of the WTF co. Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 From what I've learned here in Missouri about those "non-descript bundles", those were used to transport any number of dry goods, to save on weight and costs. The most common items shipped in this manner during the steambot era on the rivers, were textiles and finished clothing such as military uniforms. I'm certain other "soft" dry goods were shipped this way to save on the cost of building crates for them. Also, hides were bundled for shipping in this manner, for transport to their final destination after being graded and counted by the factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Interesting, thanks Bo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Alva Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 could said bundles be sails, or sailcloth? "Disobediant Monkeys will be shot, Disobediant Undead Monkeys will be shot repeatedly until morale improves" "They Says Cap'n Alva went funny in the head and turned to Cannibalism while marooned on a peninsula."- Overheard in a nearby camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kass Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 And what say you Kass... petticoat breeches on the guy all in black (or maybe dark blue depending on your monitor...) or is that just a long coat? Definitely petticote breeches on the guy in black. This would be the time period just before they went out of fashion. They're worn with a long coat like an early Justacorp instead of a doublet as they would have been worn a decade earlier. And yes, that is a shoulder knot on the guy to the right. And matching ribbon garters and a waist sash. He must be a military guy. I don't know if I'm seeing wide breeches gathered at the knee on the other guys or open knee breeches, but both were common this early. And the nursing woman is wearing an English Jacket. God, I love that garment! Is that the Dutch flag it's flying? Does anyone know? Greg! References please! Artist's name, title of picture, gallery, etc. Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 BACKHUYSEN, Ludolf Dutch painter (b. 1631, Emden, d. 1708, Amsterdam) Just right click on the pic, then back out of that directory, that puts you on the museum's front page, blahblahblah... Notice the ubiquitous Dutch sailor's cap, ala that worn by the Dutch Captain in the pic I snapped from... whatever book that was... My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kass Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Yeah, I'm not surprised, John. It had that "Dutch feel" to me... Thanks for letting me be lazy. Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 That is indeed the Dutch flag flying from the mainmast, though it's unusual to see an orange stripe rather than red this late. It's a pity the devices on the white stripe aren't clearer, it's suggests a Company flag, but it's impossible to tell which company. If it could be worked out then it might give a clue as to the contents of the parcels. I'm guessing that the parcels may not be sails: the guy on the far right has one over his shoulder and that bulk of folded canvas is gonna be heavy. That bulk of clothes or similar would be much lighter. I love those hats! Very similar to the one recovered from the Swedish "Kronen" of the same era. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kass Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Lemme give this a go. I can see things fairly clearly on my monitor. I see a gold lozenge in the center of the white stripe, and a smaller lozenge or star to the left of that. One presumes another on the right balances it. Ringing any bells? Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCholeBlack Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 nursing woman That's what I thought about her too. So if that central flag is Dutch, what is the one to the far right? "If part of the goods be plundered by a pirate the proprietor or shipmaster is not entitled to any contribution." An introduction to merchandize, Robert Hamilton, 1777Slightly Obsessed, an 18th Century reenacting blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kass Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I was wondering the same thing, Chole. Oh Flag Boy! What's that blue and red and white and red and blue one? Building an Empire... one prickety stitch at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 It could be one of the municipal flags of Holland (there are too many for me to know all of them), but it might well be a variant on the national flag. At about this time the Dutch used a flag called the "Double Prince" which had each colour twice - perhaps this is a similar variant. Notice how the white stripe is twice the thickness of the others? Of course, it's purely educated guessing. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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