MorganTyre Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm looking for info regarding general cask measurements (ie. dia at top and bottom, dia at bilge, total height) for some of the different sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 That is an interesting question.... Its difficult because the containers were based of of volume that they contained, not size of the container. (Did that make sense?) So as long as it held 36 gallons, it was considered a Barrel, if it was only 9 gallons, it was a Firkin. Beer Volume Standard Measurements 1 Pin = 4.5 Gallons 1 Firkin = 2 Pins = 9 Gallons 1 Kilderkin = 2 Firkins = 18 Gallons 1 Barrel = 2 Kilderkins = 36 Gallons 1 Hogshead = 6 Firkins = 54 Gallons 1 Puncheon = 2 Barrels = 72 Gallons 1 Butt = 2 Hogsheads = 108 Gallons I have only seen refrences to volume, not size of the container. Here are more dry and wet weight English measures http://www.footrule.com/1/conversn/oldengu...r=homepage&ac=0 It also kind of depends what time frame as well. For GAoP, I am pretty sure that they were still using wood bands and not iron around a barrel. Are you going to be ships cooper? GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 wasnt there a measurement for a liquid tun has well? " Never knock on Heaven's door. Ring the bell and run. He hates that" ' Whatever is not nailed down is MINE. Whatever I can pry loose, is not nailed down." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Yes... a tun is 2 Pipes (a pipe is 2 hogsheads) or 252 gallons GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Yes... a tun is 2 Pipes (a pipe is 2 hogsheads) or 252 gallonsGoF also had read somewhere that the tonnage refered to in merchant ships was how many of those tun it could carry. I could be wrong. thanks GoF!!! " Never knock on Heaven's door. Ring the bell and run. He hates that" ' Whatever is not nailed down is MINE. Whatever I can pry loose, is not nailed down." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganTyre Posted March 27, 2006 Author Share Posted March 27, 2006 Are you going to be ships cooper? No, I've just had an interest in casks for years though I'm not sure why. I've been decorating my bedroom with a combination traditional/modern nautical theme (to blend my historical interests with my real life occupation/hobby) and I have an empty corner so was thinking either sea-chest or barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie04 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Also, many casks weren't necessarily round. Often they were designed to make the most of the ship's hold. Thus, you'd get odd oblong or triangular shaped ones on occasion. A bit late, but they have many barrels in the hold of the Charles W. Morgan, a whaler from the late 19th Century, and they were all designed for her hold and to go in certain locations. Then, the cooper aboard would assemble them as needed for oil. I know some I've seen are large keg-style barrels, and some are thin and long. Therefore, I'd say that just about any dimensions would be appropriate and historically accurate. Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I remember listening to the cooper at Mystic Seaport talk about how important the cooper was, and how he managed to construct barrels to fit every nook and cranny onboard ship. Every nook and cranny represented another $X, and those whalers weren't joking around when it came to maximizing profits. In fact, it hasn't really changed today... ships push it to the limits... one of the captains around here was heard to say once something like, "every extra inch in a channel represents another $10000 profit..." My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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