Lady Seahawke Posted November 21, 2005 Posted November 21, 2005 All, Just bought the DVD "The Musketeer" staring Cathrine Deneyve, Justin Chambers, Tim Roth and Mena Suvari. The movie has some absolutely fabulous sword fight sequences. OK, not exactly pirate but, the fight sequence with the ladders and barrels are TERRIFIC. Lady Cassandra Seahawke Captain of SIREN'S RESURRECTION, Her fleet JAGUAR'S SPIRIT, ROARING LION , SEA WITCH AND RED VIXEN For she, her captains and their crews are.... ...Amazon by Blood... ...... Warrior by Nature...... ............Pirate by Trade............ If'n ye hear ta Trill ye sure to know tat yer end be near...
Coastie04 Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Personally, I like the fight scene at the begining of The Count of Monte Cristo (2002 version). It seems rather historically accurate as to the way cutlasses would be used by semi-trained sailors. The Musketeer is just a bit too Hollywood for me, but that's just my preference. Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail
Christine Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Yeah, isn't it The Musketeer where they did some Matrix-type moves?
Lady Seahawke Posted November 22, 2005 Author Posted November 22, 2005 no, no "Matrix" moves...actually it looks as if the one scene from PotC may have been inspired by "The Musketeer". the one where Jack and Will duel in the Blacksmith shop and hop...balance on the ladder while fighting. In "Musketeer" the fighting is done with whatever is handy and under various circumstances. Lady Cassandra Seahawke Captain of SIREN'S RESURRECTION, Her fleet JAGUAR'S SPIRIT, ROARING LION , SEA WITCH AND RED VIXEN For she, her captains and their crews are.... ...Amazon by Blood... ...... Warrior by Nature...... ............Pirate by Trade............ If'n ye hear ta Trill ye sure to know tat yer end be near...
Coastie04 Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I saw it as medieval Matrix. Too much jumping around, balancing and such. Combine Matrix and a Jet Lee, put it in the 1600's and you've got Musketeer. But what the hell, swashbuckling films would have done the same if they had the technology in the 30's and 40's. Coastie She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail
Lady Seahawke Posted November 23, 2005 Author Posted November 23, 2005 Well everyone sees what they want to see. As I said me...I thougth of PotCs sequences with the sword fight between Jack and Will, Jack's escape from the Royalies...etc. Same type of stuff...so if one is Matrixie so is the other. But, either way it was nice work. Lady Cassandra Seahawke Captain of SIREN'S RESURRECTION, Her fleet JAGUAR'S SPIRIT, ROARING LION , SEA WITCH AND RED VIXEN For she, her captains and their crews are.... ...Amazon by Blood... ...... Warrior by Nature...... ............Pirate by Trade............ If'n ye hear ta Trill ye sure to know tat yer end be near...
Hawkyns Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I wasn't impressed. If the wire work is needed to perk up a fight scene, then it tells me that the actors and the choreographer are second rate. Go back and watch the scenes that Bill Hobbs choreographed. Scenes from the 70's 3 and 4 Musketeers, or the sword scenes from Rob Roy. THOSE are classic fight scenes and no wire work or special effects are needed. Hawkyns Cannon add dignity to what otherwise would be merely an ugly brawl I do what I do for my own reasons. I do not require anyone to follow me. I do not require society's approval for my actions or beliefs. if I am to be judged, let me be judged in the pure light of history, not the harsh glare of modern trends.
William Blydes Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 ... Go back and watch the scenes that Bill Hobbs choreographed. Scenes from the 70's 3 and 4 Musketeers, or the sword scenes from Rob Roy. THOSE are classic fight scenes and no wire work or special effects are needed. <Start rant> I have to agree. You could see the rapiers (using that term loosly here) flexing they were so light. They needed to be to fight that fast, in that way. Also very stage combat with the hitting of swords only, not actually tring to hit each other. On an acting note, it looked like Tim Roth phoned that role in. He wasn't into it. <End rant> sorry to be anti the movie. It felt like the movie was trying to one up the classic Musketeer story. The only thing I liked was how it was filmed. The cinematography was rather nice. Now nothing comes close to the fight scenes in the 70's 3 and 4 Musketeers. Different styles with all manner of weapon combos. They pretty much covered off all the weapons (Rapier, dagger, cloak, off hand, case, chair) and none of that close-in filming to cover lack of skill. As one of the newbies in my fencing group said one night at a manditory screening of the movies said "Does Pothos ever fight with a sword?" Just like the books. Oliver Reed's swordsmanship was always first rate. Just like it would have been. William Blydes I don't get lost, I EXPLORE! Adventures on the High Seas (refitted and back on station!)
Scarlet McBayne Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 William, are you refering to the 4th Musketeer where Maureen O'Hara plays the daughter of one of the original musketeers called up to service? I loved that movie! I am a huge fan of the older 40's, 50's, etc. movies. I must admit that I love seeing Earl Flynn as a pirate...I know he can be corny and even cheesy...but there is just something about men acting like men. sigh I know, I'm acting like a girl now. Scarlet McBayne " Touch not the Cat without a Sheild " McBayne motto "red is the Rose in yander garden grows Fair is the Lily of the Valley"
William Blydes Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 The 3&4 Musketeer movies I'm refering too are the one that were filmed together, then split for release (only Chuck Heston got paid for both). Probably the movies that were the closest to the book I've seen so far. The Return of the Musketeers was from the 2nd book (20years after) where to try to save Charles from the headsmen. You can act like a girl any time m'lady. Not enought men acting like men and ladies acting like ladies these days (I don't mean the sexist way) William Blydes I don't get lost, I EXPLORE! Adventures on the High Seas (refitted and back on station!)
Lady Seahawke Posted November 24, 2005 Author Posted November 24, 2005 well if'n the thought that wires be needed for lack of skill then I guess POTC wasn't that great either. Lady Cassandra Seahawke Captain of SIREN'S RESURRECTION, Her fleet JAGUAR'S SPIRIT, ROARING LION , SEA WITCH AND RED VIXEN For she, her captains and their crews are.... ...Amazon by Blood... ...... Warrior by Nature...... ............Pirate by Trade............ If'n ye hear ta Trill ye sure to know tat yer end be near...
Lady Seahawke Posted November 24, 2005 Author Posted November 24, 2005 then again, what be manly and what be lady like ....is a manner of opinion... females that were pirates, liked pirates, loved pirates were never considered lady like.... as for manly well, again the definition is a guy being pigeon holed into someone else's definition...etc. shrug...whatever. Me, I will be ...what I want, when I want, and how I want and hang anyone else's definition. Lady Cassandra Seahawke Captain of SIREN'S RESURRECTION, Her fleet JAGUAR'S SPIRIT, ROARING LION , SEA WITCH AND RED VIXEN For she, her captains and their crews are.... ...Amazon by Blood... ...... Warrior by Nature...... ............Pirate by Trade............ If'n ye hear ta Trill ye sure to know tat yer end be near...
John_Young Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 Ah... The Musketeer. (Gag!) Do not use Rapiers in the style of Chines Broadswords! And too many ladders and spider-man-esque running up walls! "Yo Ho, all together hoist the colours high Heave Ho, theives and beggers Never shall we die..." "I don't care who ye say you are lad, if ye say 'savvy' one more time, I'll bury this cutlass in that thick skull of yers!" -Captain John Young - PILF
Gyp The Blood Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 In the non-pirate swashbuckling vein I would also highly recommend "The Duellists", about an ongoing duel between two Napoleonic soldiers over the course of something like 20 years. Early Ridley Scott film. Tho' I would have to echo the previous posts in this topic that cite the 70's era Musketeers films. These films, quite simply, own when it comes to fight scenes. Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. -- Mark Twain
piratescave Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Good film, the Musketeer. Justin Chambers in quite a different way of acting. There a more nice films with swashbuckling scenes, like Three Musketeers (with Oliver Platt), A Man in the Iron Mask (with Gabriel Byrne), Veronique, Count of Monte Christo and more...... My DVD-colllection is huge, especially period pieces...... That's my real treasure.......
Captain Jim Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 In the non-pirate swashbuckling vein I would also highly recommend "The Duellists", about an ongoing duel between two Napoleonic soldiers over the course of something like 20 years. Early Ridley Scott film. I second the reccomendation of "The Duellists". Kieth Carradine and Harvey Keitel, Ridley Scott. My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around...
piratescave Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 I have a very bad copy on video, is the film any good?
Monterey Jack Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 I wasn't impressed. If the wire work is needed to perk up a fight scene, then it tells me that the actors and the choreographer are second rate. Go back and watch the scenes that Bill Hobbs choreographed. Scenes from the 70's 3 and 4 Musketeers, or the sword scenes from Rob Roy. THOSE are classic fight scenes and no wire work or special effects are needed.Hawkyns Exactly my thoughts as well, Hawkyns, and I'm a big Tim Roth fan. The movie couldn't even keep me awake. If I want wires and such I'll watch Crouching Tiger, etc. Hey; they could do a version of Rob Roy that way: Crouching Tartan/ Hidden Dragoons. No? Ah well, its still early and the rum be flowin....... Monterey Jack "yes I am a pirate 200 years too late, the cannons don't thunder, there's nothin to plunder, I'm an over-40 victim of fate, arrivin too late.........."
Captain Jim Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Hey; they could do a version of Rob Roy that way: Crouching Tartan/ Hidden Dragoons. Nae, lad. Put a man in kilts up on a wire an' 'is "dragoons" wouldna' stay hidden...different sorta movie...different weapons... My occupational hazard bein' my occupation's just not around...
Charity Posted December 23, 2005 Posted December 23, 2005 Oh i've got that, i love the movie. The musketeer himself isn't all bad either but yes, i got the movie in hope of great sword fights (which i love) and you get them alright! Great movie
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