Gentleman of Fortune Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I had the great hard-drive failure of 2004 right before christmas and lost (never made a back up) all of my jpgs of original paintings etc of pirate stuff that I had gleaned from the net.... But anyway, I am trying to hunt down some info (hopefully photos of originals) on Tricorns for 1690-1720. I know that lots of "vendors" sell their version of a tricorn but most folks that do cater to F&I and Am Rev re-enactors. So what are the differences between a 1776 tricorn and a 1702 tricorn? This is meant to include triming, feathrers, cockades etc. Also, the ones that I have come across lately (later 18th C) seem to be made from wool felt not felted wool (there is a difference). Does anyone have anything to add? (or links to pics?) Thanks GoF PS the difference is felted wool is a woven wool textile that is felted wool felt is matted wool (like dreadlocks... kind of) Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimson corsair Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Check out this site,i hope they have the pics you need.there all in black and white.I referred to there pics on my last tri corn project http://hatcrafters.com/page5.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjohn Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Fwiw, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain the term Tricorn is a Victorianism, and that during the period they were called either cocked hats or three-cornered hats. My Home on the Web The Pirate Brethren Gallery Dreams are the glue that holds reality together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Here's about as authentic you can get, at least to the 1770s... It's on ebay as is the coat and vest... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...035&item=650982 Coat http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...041&item=650363 Vest & Shirt http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...951&item=496503 I just pulled the photos off for reference work in the future. -- Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hurricane.... Can you e-mail me those photos... looks like E-bay pulled the listing as it is not accessible anymore. Thanks for the heads up though! GoF Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Correct John.... cocked hat! Thanks for the heads up CC.... but I am really looking for pictures, descriptions of surviving examples. The cocked hat was around for about 100 years and I am curious as to the desiticntion between early and late. In the little research I have done, It seems that in the late 17th and early 18th Centuries, people did just about anything to their hats and that there were lots of different styles..... But as far as the basic "hat" goes. It seems that there was a round crown and a sugar loaf style that they then "cocked". By the AM Rev, it seems that they were offsetting the hole for the head to make the hat shorter in the front (4") and longer in the back (6-7"). I am really curious if this was done earlier as well or ? The basic hat blank that most companies sell seem to be the round crown that is roughly 5-51/2 " tall. Also, the wool that is used to make them generally seems to be a wool/rayon mix that is felted wool, not wool felt. the research goes on..... Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 They're consolidating the listing under a new number... Here's the current URL for the jacket... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...6503637674&rd=1 The hat: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...6509822088&rd=1 I will post the photos in a bit in here for all to see. -- Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 If all else fails, here's the link to the ebay store: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfinearts29mv He also has a Revolutionary belt and powder horn listed as well as a Dragoon hat. -- Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessie k. Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Now I'm curious: concerning wool felt, and felted wool, were they both authentic to the same time periods, or was one or the other, only, used during a certain time period? "When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear, and life stands explained." --Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman of Fortune Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 Jessie, I am curious too. That is why I would love to see more original hats from our period. With felted wool, its a cloth that has gone through the "fulling process". You can do this yourself. Throw a wool blanket in the wash machine on warm with a little soap and viola. The fulling process (or what makes it felt) is the result of the individual strands of hair embeding themselves in other strands. Each strand of wool/hair is not smooth but has little finger like projections, the soap makes them open up a bit and helps them slide over each other "locking" them in. With wool felt, you make layers of wool bats.... here is a visiual description of the process If you start with a wool textille (wool fel, the end result is a more flexible felt. But if you start with chunks of wool or wool batts, the end result is a little stiffer and more suitable for a hat. The few picutes I have seen would make me believe that the are wool felt, but these have been late 18th C Tricorn/Cocked Hat examples. Come aboard my pirate re-enacting site http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/ Where you will find lots of information on building your authentic Pirate Impression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarborMaster Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Heads up ! I just found a couple of interesting links for nice quality Leather Tricorns., I am thinking about adding 1 of these to my collection. Pirate Hats Tricorns I am not Lost .,I am Exploring. "If you give a man a fire, he will be warm for a night, if you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMike Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The correct term is "cocked hat". There are numerous pictures on the Costumer's Manifesto web site (and of course illustrated in Johnson's "Pyrates"- check out the pic's of Teach, Rackham, etc). Also the appropriate "Cries of Paris" "London" etc. should also help. One difference I've seen is that most early cocked hats had a flat crown. This is easily steamed to shaped over a kettle of boiling water and a coffee can (or other cylindrical object). Yours, &c. Mike Try these for starters- "A General History of the Pyrates" edited by Manuel Schonhorn, "Captured by Pirates" by John Richard Stephens, and "The Buccaneers of America" by Alexander Exquemelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarborMaster Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 I have one from Excaliber and one more on the way. these are good quality if your are ok with leather. I like it because it lasts and lasts and wont go limp in the rain. I am not Lost .,I am Exploring. "If you give a man a fire, he will be warm for a night, if you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMike Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Harb, I've never seen a source documenting a leather cocked hat (or tricorn as it's referred to today). However, I do like how they replicated the style of Teach's hat as depicted in Johnson's history. Haven't tried it, but for those with wool felt hats they can be stiffened as follows (courtesy of the Najecki Reproductions website)- "Hat Stiffening If your existing hat is becoming a bit droopy it can be renewed by: · Let the brims down and brush out the loose dirt from the felt. · Make a mixture of 1 part shellac (white or orange 3 lb cut) to 2 parts denatured alcohol. · Liberally brush the mixture to one side of the felt. It should quickly absorb into the felt · and not lay on the surface. Allow to dry thoroughly (about 8 hours). · Repeat to other side of felt. Apply additional coats if desired." Yours, &c. Mike Try these for starters- "A General History of the Pyrates" edited by Manuel Schonhorn, "Captured by Pirates" by John Richard Stephens, and "The Buccaneers of America" by Alexander Exquemelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Yeah, my theory is that whoever made up the idea of leather cocked hats was in fact looking at a picture of a tarred hat and mistook it for leather, thus the myth was born. But like I said, it's just my halfbaked theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarborMaster Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Oh there is no mention by me of leather being authentic or not,, I just prefer them and believe they are superior in the sence of the material., I do this for fun. I am not an authentic re-enactor. But I do live in Washington (It rains alot here) and I like to where my hats sometimes daily for no particular reason even without the rest of the clothing for example. I run my own Plumbing service (I have no boss I am it) therefore I might be seen around town in a carhart coat., a pair of dickies., and a leather tricorn., and I feel comfortable in it. I get some strange looks., but its not bad doing a drainfield on a backhoe... Why is it a 150 year old war hat a Civil War Kepi (Again should be wool-Mine however is leather) is accepted by the public and a 300 year old war hat is considered of of place? I dont know but I like it !! That said most wouldnt know whether or not it is authentic except a re-enactor really or a historical buff . I am very happy with it. All of mine are leather. I did buy one from Costumes period in Kent Washington which has a hand block leather crown., stretched thin and left the leather sort of brittle., an awesome hat with a not so awesome crown. I dont recommend blocking a leather crown. I am not Lost .,I am Exploring. "If you give a man a fire, he will be warm for a night, if you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaRed Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 HM that is very cool! Hell if I saw you hard at work wearing a cocked hat, I'd have to come over and give you props. After my last event I lazily left my cocked hat in the car for about a week, and was so tempted to pop it on and waltz into the grocery store with it. I guess the kepi is more "normal" because in recent decades it's been associated with bikers and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalum Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 After my last event I lazily left my cocked hat in the car for about a week, and was so tempted to pop it on and waltz into the grocery store with it. Aww ya should've mate! I try t' wear mine pretty much everywhere. I used t' wear one when I worked for Dominos. The reactions were great...had little kids callin' me the "Pizza Pirate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnwilliam Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 Whatever you call 'em and however they're made, they're damn confortable and practical to wear. I had one on all day a couple Saturdays back: shielded me from the sun, never felt heavy on my head, never once blew off or even started to wiggle in the wind! :) Capt. William "The fight's not over while there's a shot in the locker!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Hand Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 OK.... Its not a cocked hat..... I don't like getting hit on the head by rain drops...... and the trees drip for so long after it stops raining, so I started wearing my tarplin hat. Dang... and because it came out so warm.... my pyrate sea coat.... Well everyone around town knows about "th' local pyrate...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorien_stormfeather Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Handmade felted and treated hats by one of our Orygun Mates, MacKay!! Captain Jack's Pirate Hats Look for us in the gallery section cavorting on the Interceptor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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