lwhitehead Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Hi I need help Sea Myths and Heaven and Hell, Death and Life. Davy Jones and Fiddler's Green, Now the problem with Davy Jones if I use him for my Death then I might get sued by Disney but they got there version mixed up with the Flying Dutchman LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 The character of Davy Jones as seen in the PotC franchise is basically an invention of Disney with a 'traditional' name tacked on, but Disney can't own the copyright on the name, so if you use their character you might run into trouble but it you create your own personification of Jones you should be ok. However, to my knowledge, Davy Jones, the Flying Dutchman, and Fiddlers' Green are all later than the GAoP in origin. The only post-mortem superstitions which seem prevalent amongst GAoP era pirates are essentially Christian notions of Heaven and Hell. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 But if I use Davy Jones as my God of Death and use a Coffin Ship to carry the gathered dead aboard to underworld along the Dead Sea to River Styx in, then the Fiddler would be the overlord of Green like Heaven. My version of Davy Jones isn't a squid-man but more like a Skeleton dressed as Sea Captain burdened to gather the Dead, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jib Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Ironically I think Disney places the POTC series in the 1740's... which is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 Well my Version of Davy Jones is my Sea going Reaper Captain of his Coffin Ship much like Disney version but I know they muddled the Flying Dutchman myth, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jib Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 And alas Pyracy Pub heads off to Fiddlers Green... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Still Online, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie04 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Yet she's being towed to the breaker's yard... She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Still online and working, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie04 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Yep, I check it every so often when I'm actually at my computer. I hope that it's because the information is somehow being compiled and saved, but most likely just waiting for the licenses (or whatever contract term is used for a webpage) to expire. She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 The more likely explanation is that Stynky is too lazy to take it down. (Trust me, I know Stynky...) Although I've no doubt that when the web page contract expires as Coastie mentioned, it will suddenly disappear. This has the added benefit of insuring that Stynky doesn't actually have to do anything to remove it. I have saved a lot of the files that interested me, although they're in separate Word files and so are a PITA to actually try and sift through unless you know what you're looking for. I mostly saved them to refer to stuff that I can use in writing future Surgeon's Journal articles. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalJames Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 We are pretty off-topic here, but I guess we’re not bound the articles anymore… There are tools to automatically download what you are interested in instead of doing it by hand. It still takes some time to do it, but it’s the computer working anyway. I have some parts already stored. PM me if you want a copy. (But, even better would be if a super-user could make a copy of everything, that other users could download!) More off-topic, this is a nice site for tracking pirates and others www.historylogbook.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Let's get back On Topic Fiddler's Green and Davy Jones Locker how can I protray Heaven and Hell for Pirates?, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie04 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If you're looking at heaven/hell, often when I've seen the superstitions, Fiddler's Green is more of a paradise/heaven than Davy Jones' Locker. Some myths state that Davy Jones' Locker is where sailors go if they die at sea, while Fiddler's Green is where they go if they die on land. I generally don't hear of Davy Jones' Locker being necessarily bad, but it isn't the utopia and 'holiday' that Fiddler's Green is made out to be. So if you want to use them as heaven/hell, it would be easier to have FG = Heaven and DJL = Hell. At least that's my two cents worth. She was bigger and faster when under full sail With a gale on the beam and the seas o'er the rail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Yes but what about a Sea going Grim Ripper like Character gathering the Dead in a Coffinship, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 If you want to go with a historically accurate version then you basically need to be looking at 18th century Christian beliefs about death and the afterlife. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 18th Century Christian Beliefs were do I find sources and Books on afterlife as well. LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 As Foxe already explained, when you try and hunt them down, you'll find that many of the sea superstitions can only be traced back to the mid/late 18th century. I ran into that when trying to run down superstitions that we think were prevalent then when I was writing my article Dealing With the Deceased a few years back. I found the sea superstitions weren't much different than the landsmen's superstitions and a lot of the more "sea-based" myths came later. As I quoted in my article, "Writing several decades after the golden age of piracy about a shipwreck that took place in 1739, John Byron explained, That common people in general are addicted to superstitious conceits, is an observation founded on experience; and the reason is evident: but I cannot allow that common seamen are more so than others of the lower class. In the most enlightened ages of antiquity, we find it to have been the popular opinion, that the spirits of the dead were not at rest till their bodies were interred; and that they did not cease to haunt and trouble those who had neglected this duty to the departed. This is still believed by the vulgar, in most countries" Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 This may interest you. “[Roberts, philosophy] [Thomas] Sutton used to be very prophane; he happening to be in the same Irons with another Prisoner, who was more serious than ordinary, and read and pray’d often, as became his Condition; this Man, Sutton used to swear at, and ask him, what he proposed by so much Noise and Devotion? Heaven, says the other, I hope. Heaven, you Fool, says Sutton, did you ever hear of any Pyrates going thither? Give me H———ll, it’s a merrier Place: I’ll give Roberts a Salute of 13 Guns at Entrance. And when he found such ludicrous Expressions had no Effect on him, he made a formal Complaint, and requested that the Officer would either remove this Man, or take his Prayer-Book away, as a common Disturber.” (Daniel Defoe (Captain Charles Johnson), A General History of the Pyrates, Manuel Schonhorn, ed., 1999, p. 246) (There's no indication about what happened after that.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/folklore-and-the-sea-the-american-maritime-library-vol-6_horace-beck/378895/?mkwid=sckPaGqkw|dc&pcrid=70112871912&pkw=&pmt=&plc=&gclid=CPX7k5KGvNMCFUc2gQodnvkCAw#isbn=0785811192&idiq=6123949 Fisherman, sailors, merchantmen, navies, shipwrights, pirates and smugglers - all earned their livlihood from the seas and the shores surrounding them, some honestly, some with cruel and cunning. Here are the stories, the tales, and legends which form the lore and fables of these men and women. The rugged fishermen of Newfoundland and the Canadian Maritime Provinces; the privateers and merchantmen of Maine, Massachusetts and the Chesapeake; the mariners of the British West Indies; the seafarers of the harsh and stormy coasts of Ireland and Scotland - all helped shape myriad legends and tales of the deep. Herein you will discover beliefs and superstitions about boatbuilding, weather, creatures of the deep, and the ghosts and demons that have, in all ages, risen from the sea to terrify and enchant men. FOLKLORE AND THE SEA unravels the sources of these folktales, plumbs their meanings, and helps preserve the customs, beliefs and traditions of hundreds of years of seafaring. Edited April 24, 2017 by Bright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwhitehead Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Well if I did use Davy Jones as my Death would Diseny Sue me?, LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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