Mission Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 or looser more cap like Just a few more modifications and you got ! "A man walks down the street in that hat... people know he's not afraid of anything." Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit.Privateer Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Was looking through some old posts on another forum and I came upon this thread, and thought of this one instantly. Hope it helps with this conversation on the Peter the Great hat: http://www.ukpiratebrotherhood.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=795.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I post that picture here Late 18th C PTG Monmouth cap "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grymm Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 That reminds me, must plunder UKPB board for all useful links 'case it goes off again, it'll get renamed HMS Brigadoon if it pulls the disappear reappear thing too many times. Lambourne! Lambourne! Stop that man pissin' on the hedge, it's imported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Here seems to be PtG well as nice sloop picture is made in circa 1709 http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~2734~4480003:Brigatins-des-Isles-de-l-Amerique,-?qvq=w4s:/when/1701-1750;q:sail;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=1&trs=9 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Henry aka Moose Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Since for some reason I cannot edit my latest post I need to put these pictures here. Following pictures are dutch sailor from 1695-1730 so clearly from Gaop. Note large number of PTGs None of those appear to be knit from my view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Trueblood Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Here's a gallery of pictures from the the Danish Museum in Copenhagen: https://picasaweb.google.com/103688495868327126656/TextilesInTheDanishMuseumInCopenhagen?authkey=Gv1sRgCNa3296h2Yqm3QE# There are a number of different hats and gloves, although the hats seem to be of either the PtG variety or of a more standard stocking cap type. It may well be that the "Monmouth" type cap was a purely English thing. Of note: in one of the pictures there is an albeit thread-bare though recognisable thrum cap! And I thought they were extinct. Capt. Jacobus Trueblood The Sloop Adventure "The tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Of note: in one of the pictures there is an albeit thread-bare though recognisable thrum cap! And I thought they were extinct. Trum caps were used well in the 19th C. picture from 1799. "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Henry aka Moose Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Here's a gallery of pictures from the the Danish Museum in Copenhagen: https://picasaweb.go...Na3296h2Yqm3QE# There are a number of different hats and gloves, although the hats seem to be of either the PtG variety or of a more standard stocking cap type. It may well be that the "Monmouth" type cap was a purely English thing. Of note: in one of the pictures there is an albeit thread-bare though recognisable thrum cap! And I thought they were extinct. Thanks for those - that is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Knitted hat, thick wool, Copenhagen, late 16th or first half of 17th century, National Museum of Denmark "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Henry aka Moose Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I'm now wondering if there is any provenance in the knit PTG styles being treated with anything. Some of them appear to be a little stiff, holding their shape. From first hand experience, They don,t seem to hold shape like the dancing Dutch sailor's cap does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Since for some reason I cannot edit my latest post I need to put these pictures here. Following pictures are dutch sailor from 1695-1730 so clearly from Gaop. Note large number of PTGs None of those appear to be knit from my view... Interesting since I think they all are. See e.g picture 1 there is that tab that there is in Monmouths. and even that PTG hat of Peter The Great don't look knitted but it is. what are others verdict? "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Henry aka Moose Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I have a PTG hat. It does not hold the shape of the last two examples. The first one is too small for me to have a strong opinion one way or the other, the second image - the Caspar Luiken one, could quite possibly be knit but once again, the brim is holding a shape that mine doesn't. All of this is my supposition though... I am wondering if they were treated with something to stiffen and waterproof them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peglegstrick Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Were'nt knitted wool hats felted to stiffen them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think here there is monmouth caps picture from 1718 and made by Willem van Mieris (note Dutch once again) "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Henry aka Moose Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Ivan's PTG hat in action. Thanks to DB Couper for the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Oh, we're going to talk ALL about that hat in the Columbus Surgeon's Journal. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I wonder is that hat in right a ptg (I also wonder what is the green hat on the left) "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~3744~5860004:-Title-page-?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=q:pirates;sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=26&trs=78 Here artist in 1700 has put a buccaneer in clear PTG "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Henry aka Moose Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The way the brim turns up and looks stiff - I guess that one is a felt hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 If you mean the buccaneer no I am pretty sure that is ptg there is even thread loop on the top. Some PTGs had quite stiff brim like that that Peter the Great had. What are others beliefs? "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Here we can see PTGs, thrums, simple monmouth style caps, all having a peaceful co-existence with eacothers and with other hats as well.Circa 1690 image Dutch painting Here left: a man with brimles monmouth on your right and one Ivan Henry looking man with ptg (brown clothes)(I think)... There is also brim hats as well as other caps "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanHenry Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 Finally got the whole outfit together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Nice. Very very nice. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Brand Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 It turned out great! Wonderful attention to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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