Peter the Grat's Salor outfit - specifically the hat.

[Mission]

or looser more cap like

Just a few more modifications and you got

! "A man walks down the street in that hat... people know he's not afraid of anything."

[Brit.Privateer]

Was looking through some old posts on another forum and I came upon this thread, and thought of this one instantly. Hope it helps with this conversation on the Peter the Great hat:

http://www.ukpiratebrotherhood.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=795.0

[Swashbuckler 1700]

I post that picture here

Late 18th C PTG Monmouth cap

[Grymm]

That reminds me, must plunder UKPB board for all useful links 'case it goes off again, it'll get renamed HMS Brigadoon if it pulls the disappear reappear thing too many times.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

Here seems to be PtG well as nice sloop

picture is made in circa 1709

http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~2734~4480003:Brigatins-des-Isles-de-l-Amerique,-?qvq=w4s:/when/1701-1750;q:sail;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=1&trs=9

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

Since for some reason I cannot edit my latest post I need to put these pictures here.

Following pictures are dutch sailor from 1695-1730 so clearly from Gaop. Note large number of PTGs

None of those appear to be knit from my view...

[Capt. Trueblood]

Here's a gallery of pictures from the the Danish Museum in Copenhagen: https://picasaweb.google.com/103688495868327126656/TextilesInTheDanishMuseumInCopenhagen?authkey=Gv1sRgCNa3296h2Yqm3QE#

There are a number of different hats and gloves, although the hats seem to be of either the PtG variety or of a more standard stocking cap type. It may well be that the "Monmouth" type cap was a purely English thing. Of note: in one of the pictures there is an albeit thread-bare though recognisable thrum cap! And I thought they were extinct.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

Of note: in one of the pictures there is an albeit thread-bare though recognisable thrum cap! And I thought they were extinct.

Trum caps were used well in the 19th C.

picture from 1799.

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

Here's a gallery of pictures from the the Danish Museum in Copenhagen: https://picasaweb.go...Na3296h2Yqm3QE#

There are a number of different hats and gloves, although the hats seem to be of either the PtG variety or of a more standard stocking cap type. It may well be that the "Monmouth" type cap was a purely English thing. Of note: in one of the pictures there is an albeit thread-bare though recognisable thrum cap! And I thought they were extinct.

Thanks for those - that is great!

[Capt. Sterling]

Knitted hat, thick wool, Copenhagen, late 16th or first half of 17th century, National Museum of Denmark

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

I'm now wondering if there is any provenance in the knit PTG styles being treated with anything. Some of them appear to be a little stiff, holding their shape. From first hand experience, They don,t seem to hold shape like the dancing Dutch sailor's cap does.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

Since for some reason I cannot edit my latest post I need to put these pictures here.

Following pictures are dutch sailor from 1695-1730 so clearly from Gaop. Note large number of PTGs

None of those appear to be knit from my view...

Interesting since I think they all are. See e.g picture 1 there is that tab that there is in Monmouths.

and even that PTG hat of Peter The Great don't look knitted but it is.

what are others verdict?

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

I have a PTG hat. It does not hold the shape of the last two examples. The first one is too small for me to have a strong opinion one way or the other, the second image - the Caspar Luiken one, could quite possibly be knit but once again, the brim is holding a shape that mine doesn't. All of this is my supposition though... I am wondering if they were treated with something to stiffen and waterproof them....

[peglegstrick]

Were'nt knitted wool hats felted to stiffen them?

[Swashbuckler 1700]

I think here there is monmouth caps

picture from 1718 and made by Willem van Mieris (note Dutch once again)

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

Ivan's PTG hat in action. Thanks to DB Couper for the pic.

[Mission]

Oh, we're going to talk ALL about that hat in the Columbus Surgeon's Journal.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

I wonder is that hat in right a ptg (I also wonder what is the green hat on the left)

[Swashbuckler 1700]

http://jcb.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/JCB~1~1~3744~5860004:-Title-page-?sort=Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle&qvq=q:pirates;sort:Normalized_date%2CCreators%2CPublisher%2CTitle;lc:JCB~1~1,JCBBOOKS~1~1,JCBMAPS~1~1,JCBMAPS~2~2&mi=26&trs=78

Here artist in 1700 has put a buccaneer in clear PTG

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

The way the brim turns up and looks stiff - I guess that one is a felt hat.

[Swashbuckler 1700]

If you mean the buccaneer no I am pretty sure that is ptg there is even thread loop on the top. Some PTGs had quite stiff brim like that that Peter the Great had.

What are others beliefs?

[Swashbuckler 1700]

Here we can see PTGs, thrums, simple monmouth style caps, all having a peaceful co-existence with eacothers and with other hats as well.Circa 1690 image

Dutch painting Here left: a man with brimles monmouth on your right and one Ivan Henry looking man with ptg (brown clothes)(I think)... There is also brim hats as well as other caps

[IvanHenry]

Finally got the whole outfit together!

[Fox]

Nice. Very very nice.

[William Brand]

It turned out great! Wonderful attention to detail.