Swashbuckler 1700 Posted April 14, 2012 Posted April 14, 2012 I was wondering how people were hang in 1600s and in 1700s. I am not going to hang anyone but I was wondering.... I have found mainly period pics with carriages but what about other ways... "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
RIPP Tar Posted April 14, 2012 Posted April 14, 2012 I have read some that say on ships often the rope was sent over the yard, on end had a noose which was placed around the neck, the other end was given to a number of sailor who would the haul up the condemned. this basically would slowly strangle the victim.
Grymm Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 The cart journey was a common thing for big cities certainly, some took a winding route stopping at pubs for gin or porter for the 'star' of the show. To stop the agony of a long strangulation some would leap from the cart or ladder in an effort to snap their neck and on other occasions a number of friends would grab onto and swing from the ....victim (is the wrong word but it'll have to do) to speed up death. Account of Turpin's journey in Yorl '39 (Nasty wee bugger he was) he was taken from the York castle's condemned cell and driven in a horse drawn cart through the imposing gateway of the castle and along Castlegate. Crowds would line the route as they made their way over Ouse Bridge, the only road bridge across the river at that time. Along Ousegate and continuing up the steep slope of Micklegate, they would have driven through Micklegate bar and onto Blossom Street, The Mount, and finally to the Knavesmire, the site of the gallows.......... He carried himself with much dignity to the last and, after speaking a few words, he turned and threw himself from the ladder and died after a few minutes. In '24 Sheppard's procession halted at the City of Oxford tavern on Oxford Street, where Sheppard drank a pint of sack. More Hogarth, an etching from Industry and Idleness The Idle 'Prentice Executed at Tyburn Lambourne! Lambourne! Stop that man pissin' on the hedge, it's imported.
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) The cart journey was a common thing for big cities certainly, some took a winding route stopping at pubs for gin or porter for the 'star' of the show. To stop the agony of a long strangulation some would leap from the cart or ladder in an effort to snap their neck and on other occasions a number of friends would grab onto and swing from the ....victim (is the wrong word but it'll have to do) to speed up death. Account of Turpin's journey in Yorl '39 (Nasty wee bugger he was) he was taken from the York castle's condemned cell and driven in a horse drawn cart through the imposing gateway of the castle and along Castlegate. Crowds would line the route as they made their way over Ouse Bridge, the only road bridge across the river at that time. Along Ousegate and continuing up the steep slope of Micklegate, they would have driven through Micklegate bar and onto Blossom Street, The Mount, and finally to the Knavesmire, the site of the gallows.......... He carried himself with much dignity to the last and, after speaking a few words, he turned and threw himself from the ladder and died after a few minutes. In '24 Sheppard's procession halted at the City of Oxford tavern on Oxford Street, where Sheppard drank a pint of sack. More Hogarth, an etching from Industry and Idleness The Idle 'Prentice Executed at Tyburn Man With the crutches and scarf LOOKS LIKE stereotypical PIRATE ( joke.... laugh! ) please add that to " Aye the kerchief" tread it would be nice addition there. Lovely skeletons there oh there is another man with bandana.... Odd that there is a coffin? I would have think that criminals would not have kind of "luxury"..... Edited April 18, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
oderlesseye Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) hangin is hangin ! Edited April 19, 2012 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand."
Mission Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 More Hogarth, an etching from Industry and Idleness The Idle 'Prentice Executed at Tyburn So why is the guy in the lower right hand corner selling fruit? Is it for eating or throwing? (Just curious.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Capt. Sterling Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 More Hogarth, an etching from Industry and Idleness The Idle 'Prentice Executed at Tyburn So why is the guy in the lower right hand corner selling fruit? Is it for eating or throwing? (Just curious.) Actually could be both, but odds are for eating, unless oranges at the time were a relatively inexpensive item. If ye really wanted to throw something, ye could most likely find something dirt cheap on the ground. Hangings were big affairs, quite the "holiday" atmosphere, so one could imagine folks taking the opportunity to sell to the crowds. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Tar Bucket Bill Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) WARNING: If you are easily offended by graphic descriptions of death and dying or squeamish, please do not read this! If I recall correctly, Captain Kidd was carted to the gallows which was placed between the tides on the Thames, because between the tides was within the perview of the Admiralty Court for crimes on the ocean. They often stopped and let him drink alcohol on the way from the prison to the gallows, so he became quite drunk. It was a journey across part of London. When they reached the gallows at Execution Dock in Wapping on the Thames he was then placed upon a collapsible platform with others to be hanged and the rope placed around his neck, his hands tied probably to the front, but the feet not tied.Sometimes a white hood was placed over the head. The executioner then collapsed the platform, thus letting the condemned dangle and do the "hempen jig". The feet and legs, being not tied, would often kick about in this "hempen jig" to the delight of the public. Kidd's rope broke and he fell to the ground. They raised a ladder to the gallows and forced him to climb the ladder and then "turned him off" the ladder to let him dangle and expire to complete the execution. It could often take 15 or 2o minutes for someone to strangle to death this way. Tongues bitten and blood streaming from mouths. Cheers would be raised when a wet spot formed at the crotch of the executed upon death. They would be left to hang about half an hour. Sometimes taken down and tied to a post to let three tides wash over the body. About a day and half? And then, if they were pirates, they would often be consigned an unknown, unconsecrated grave. Or in Captain Kidd's case, they slathered him with pitch or tar, encased him in a gibbet cage and hanged him from a gibbet at a place near Tilbury Fort several miles upstream for maybe about 3 years. Poor buggers executed for treason often had it much worse though. Execution for treason often entailed drawing, hanging and quartering. There. I TOLD you not to read it. Tar Bucket Bill Edited April 20, 2012 by Tar Bucket Bill
Jib Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I seem to remember reading that Guy Fawkes was sentenced to be drawn and quartered after being hung (but not until dead). While he was being turned off the ladder he leapt and broke his neck in the noose, thus denying the public the show they had hoped for.
Capn Bob Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) I have heard that, in some cases, after the miscreant had...dangled...a bit, his friends were permitted to pull down on his legs to shorten his sufferings. A good period source for hangings is the Newgate Calender. You can find some selected stories here... http://www.ryerson.c...ff/newgate.html and you can download the entirei Calender to read at your leisure here... http://www.exclassic...ate/ngintro.htm Capn Bob tastelessly sings: "He's swinging in the rain...just swinging in the rain..." Edited April 21, 2012 by Capn Bob Damn, thats sharp!
Grymm Posted April 22, 2012 Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Downloads of selected sections from it about Pirates and nautical crimes here http://www.exclassic...ate/ngcontf.htm And this site has a few refs too, http://www.executedtoday.com/ look on the right and in the categories box pull up 17th or 18thC, it also has a bit for pirates http://www.executedtoday.com/category/who/pirates/ Edited April 22, 2012 by Grymm Lambourne! Lambourne! Stop that man pissin' on the hedge, it's imported.
Fox Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Not strictly on-topic, but this amused me. It was customary for a number of newspaper to print summaries of the births and deaths that occurred, and this one made me chuckle: "Drowned accidentally in the River of Thames, 3 Executed, 3 [all pirates] Kill'd, 2 Overlaid, 1 Press'd to death by the Crowd of People, at the Execution of the Pirates, 1" From Parker's Penny Post, 18 June, 1725. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Mission Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Not strictly on-topic, but this amused me. It was customary for a number of newspaper to print summaries of the births and deaths that occurred, and this one made me chuckle: "Drowned accidentally in the River of Thames, 3 Executed, 3 [all pirates] Kill'd, 2 Overlaid, 1 Press'd to death by the Crowd of People, at the Execution of the Pirates, 1" From Parker's Penny Post, 18 June, 1725. So if all these were from the hanging, the pirates actually sort of won based on the death count. I wonder what 'Overlaid' means? Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Fox Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 No, only the executions and the person crushed to death are from the hanging, the others are just 'accidental' deaths also recorded in the same paper. I believe 'overlaid' is knocked down by a horse or wagon. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Not strictly on-topic, but this amused me. It was customary for a number of newspaper to print summaries of the births and deaths that occurred, and this one made me chuckle: "Drowned accidentally in the River of Thames, 3 Executed, 3 [all pirates] Kill'd, 2 Overlaid, 1 Press'd to death by the Crowd of People, at the Execution of the Pirates, 1" From Parker's Penny Post, 18 June, 1725. At least Cordingly was right when he said that "The pirate Execution was a public spectacle". Really interesting and it seems that there were still pirates to be killed in 1725. "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
Capt. Sterling Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Honestly it appears that most, hangings, pirate or not, as well as other styles of execution, were quite the event... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Fox Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 William Fly and his company were hanged in 1726, and John Upton went to the gallows in 1728 eating a biscuit. And there was a pirate crew hanged in Williamsburg VA in 1729. There were also lots of pirate executions outside the GAoP If memory serves a bunch of people were hanged for piracy in London in the 1730s too. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
William Brand Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 ...John Upton went to the gallows in 1728 eating a biscuit. There is a pragmatism and casual defiance in that act that makes me smile. He didn't blubber or beg. He went to the gallows eatin' a biscuit.
oderlesseye Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) Copyright From the book "Pirates of Colonial North Carolina" By Hugh F Rankin Edited May 4, 2012 by oderlesseye http://www.myspace.com/oderlesseyehttp://www.facebook....esseye?ref=nameHangin at Execution dock awaits. May yer Life be a long and joyous adventure in gettin there!As he was about to face the gallows there, the pirate is said to have tossed a sheaf of papers into the crowd, taunting his audience with these final words: "My treasure to he who can understand."
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