Silver Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 i'm looking for a copy of a 17-18th century seaman's sign-on or shipping agreement, has someone come across one?
Daniel Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I've been looking for that for years. Never found one yet. There's a specimen of a merchant ship's articles from an British 1835 statute, intended to be used as a model. I don't know if any ship ever actually sailed under these articles unmodified. Note that the OCR may have caused several misspellings. An Agreement made, pursuant to the Directions of an Act of Parliamentpassed in the Sixth Year of the Reign of His Majesty King William tlie Fourth, between the Master of the Ship of the Port of and of the Burthen of Tons, and the several Persons whose Names are subscribed hereto. It is agreed by and on the Part of the said Persons, and they severally hereby engage, to serve on board the said Ship in the several Capacities against their respective Names expressed, on a Voyage from the Port of to \here the intended Voyage is to be described as nearly as can be donCj and the Places at which it is intended the Ship shall touchy or if that cannot be dione^ the Nature of the Voyage in which she is to be emphyedi] and back to the Port of and the said Crew further engage to conduct themselves in an orderly, faithful, honest, careful, and sober Manner, and to be at all Times diligent in diieir respective Duties and Stations, and to be obedient to the lawful Commands of the Master in every thing relating to the said Ship, and the Materials, Stores, and Cargo thereof, whether on board such Ship, in Boats, or on Shore [here may be inserted any other Clauses which the Parties may think proper to be introduced into the Agreement ^ provided that the same be not contrary to or inconsistent with the Provisions and Spirit of this Act]. In consideration of which Services, to be duly, honestly, carefully, and faithfully performed, the said Master doth hereby promise and agree to pay to the said Crew, by way of Com- pensation or Wages, the Amount against their Names respectively expressed. In witness whereof the said Parties have hereto subscribed their Names on the Days against their respective Signatures mentioned. Place and Time of Entry. Men-i Amount ofW.g« per Calendar ■^ Month, Share, or Voyage. Wimmto Name of Ship in which the Seamen lutut>ed. Note. — Any Embezzlement or wilful or negligent Loss or Destruction of any Part of the Ship's Cargo or Stores may be made good to the Owner out of the Wages (so far as thej will extend) of the Seaman guilty of the same; and if any Seaman shall enter himself as qualified for a Duty to which he shall prove to be not competent, he will be subject to u Reduction of, the Rate of Wages hereby agreed for in proporUon to his lncompetency.
Silver Posted March 9, 2012 Author Posted March 9, 2012 thank you for that post. it does follow what i have been coming across. i was able to find more info once i started using the word agreement instead of articals. in 1835 the english started to kept track of their seamen and masters got the task of doing the goverment paper work. i did learn the most seaman signed on with an alias in case they decided to jump ship, so the alias is not only a pirate triat. there are some agreements that list a man's rations also lost of pay for infractions. i found an agreement from st. kitts & nevis international ship registry titled "articals of agreement (crew agreement) between the master and seafarers serving onboard a vessel registered in st. kitt & nevis. it is dated 2002, a look at what seamen sign today. i'm still looking for that 1700's copy. if i can't find it i have dug up almost enough bits and peices to paste a acturate artical together. thanks again.
Fox Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I can do you a 1694 privateering crew contract if that's any use? Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Mission Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Weren't the privateering articles for Woodes Rogers' voyage spelled out in his book? that would get you to 1708. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Fox Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 The ship's articles are listed in Rogers' book (the re-written set, that is, not the original set), but not the individual contracts. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Capt. Sterling Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 I can do you a 1694 privateering crew contract if that's any use? YES! PLEASE! "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I can do you a 1694 privateering crew contract if that's any use? Is there signatures in it? if there is how many names and how many marks? So we can know someting about that how many man could write their own name..... Edited March 10, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
Fox Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 In the case of the document above, it's an individual contract so it's got the signature of the person signing on, the owner of the expedition, and one or two witnesses. There is a set of pirate articles in JF. Jameson's Privateering and Piracy which has a mix of signatures and marks, and both Marcus Rediker's Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, and Peter Earle's Sailors have analyses based on the number of signatures and marks in the papers of the High Court of Admiralty. Roughly, it's about 2/3 of sailors and virtually every officer. However, as noted elsewhere, all that shows us is how many people could sign their name, nothing more. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Fox Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 For some reason I can't find the original jpeg of this, but here's a 'blank' contract (by which I mean I've removed all the hand-written stuff) signed by each member of the Spanish Expedition of 1694. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Silver Posted March 10, 2012 Author Posted March 10, 2012 wow! was at jamestown today working on the ships. have had a round or two will get back. thank you
Capt. Sterling Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 Thank ye Foxe!!! "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Silver Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 thanks foxe, i got the time to work through the 17th century legal talk and this is a great example of how i think one would read and look like. i plan on using lines from this. i noticed the bounded person was to pay L100 if he didn't complete the contract also there was the line concerning diving and cruizing in said ship. my question is, did the signer of the contract have a special skill as a wrecker (diver) and was this a salvage cruise for sunken spanish treasure? again thanks for the example.
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 For some reason I can't find the original jpeg of this, but here's a 'blank' contract (by which I mean I've removed all the hand-written stuff) signed by each member of the Spanish Expedition of 1694. It would be good if you would have also the one with handwriting... but if it is not easy to find you can leave it be... "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
Fox Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 thanks foxe, i got the time to work through the 17th century legal talk and this is a great example of how i think one would read and look like. i plan on using lines from this. i noticed the bounded person was to pay L100 if he didn't complete the contract also there was the line concerning diving and cruizing in said ship. my question is, did the signer of the contract have a special skill as a wrecker (diver) and was this a salvage cruise for sunken spanish treasure? again thanks for the example. This was the standard contract which everyone on the expedition had to sign, from Captain to cabin boy, and one of the objectives of the expedition was to dive Spanish treasure wrecks. The best known of the people who signed this particular contract was Henry Every... And it's thanks to Henry Every that this example of a contract has survived. The cash bond was not an essential feature of such contracts, perhaps not even that common. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Fox Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 Found one with the handwriting in... This is the contract of William May, one of only 5 of Every's men executed. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Found one with the handwriting in... This is the contract of William May, one of only 5 of Every's men executed. Glad to see that someone have (or had) as bad hand writing as I have .... Speaking of old documents. It is blessing that many european nations used so clear writing style. But not all see what kind of font Swedes had in 17th century Edited April 4, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
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