Mission Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Of a ship's cook and a ship's carpenter. Anyone seen anything like that? Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Fox Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Can easily do you images from the second half of the 18th century if that's any good? GAoP images may take a little longer... Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Mission Posted January 26, 2012 Author Posted January 26, 2012 That first one may do for the cook. Where are those from? Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Fox Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 They're by Thomas Rowlandson, published 1799. Foxe"With this Fore-Staff he fansies he does Wonders, when, God knows, it amounts to no more but only to solve that simple Question, Where are we? Which every chi'd in London can tell you." - Ned Ward The Wooden World Dissected, 1707ETFox.co.uk
Mission Posted January 26, 2012 Author Posted January 26, 2012 I notice the cook has a peg-leg. Very nice. I make a point in the thing I'm putting together about how the cooks were chosen more for their inablilty to serve as regular seaman than their ability to actually cook. (Although it is just a side point.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
peglegstrick Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 I notice the cook has a peg-leg. Very nice. I make a point in the thing I'm putting together about how the cooks were chosen more for their inablilty to serve as regular seaman than their ability to actually cook. (Although it is just a side point.) I resemble that remark!
PoD Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 maybe he was just really dedicated to his job and he'd ran out of meat that day ...and then I discovered the wine...
Mission Posted January 27, 2012 Author Posted January 27, 2012 Somewhere I read that a man who was wounded in such a way that he could no longer serve as a sailor (say, an amputated leg or something) was made the cook rather than be discharged. As I understand it, being let go could be a pretty difficult problem at this time in history given the apprentice system. Many people held the same job for their entire lives after their multi-year apprenticeship. So it was sort of a mercy thing - again, if I remember and understand it correctly. I thought I had it in my notes, but I can't find it now. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Silver Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 like the long john silver character. i bougth the one with charlton heston it pretty good.
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Well there is some pictures about Peter the great representing him as carpenter working in Dutch- and English shipyard. That are this paintings and engravings entirely truthfull is case of debate but there is some 18th century pics. here "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
Mission Posted February 9, 2012 Author Posted February 9, 2012 Nice photo of a carpenter working on a ship there! (Be he Peter the Great or not.) Thanks! Do you happen to know the source of that? Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Nice photo of a carpenter working on a ship there! (Be he Peter the Great or not.) Thanks! Do you happen to know the source of that? The portrait has been many books and various wedsites....I would dare to say it is from circa early 18th century.... There is source of other picture http://www.dbnl.org/...601_01_0048.php Edited February 9, 2012 by Swashbuckler 1700 "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
Mission Posted February 9, 2012 Author Posted February 9, 2012 Aha! The artist is Reinier Vinkeles, who lived 1741-1816. While using Google Image search, I also found this engraving by the ever-popular artist 'Anonymous' which was done in 1701, which I think should be posted somewhere and here is as good a place as any. (Someone should let Ratbeard aka. Redbeard know that we have period evidence that putting small animals in one's mouth is accurate.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Swashbuckler 1700 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Aha! The artist is Reinier Vinkeles, who lived 1741-1816. While using Google Image search, I also found this engraving by the ever-popular artist 'Anonymous' which was done in 1701, which I think should be posted somewhere and here is as good a place as any. (Someone should let Ratbeard aka. Redbeard know that we have period evidence that putting small animals in one's mouth is accurate.) Yeeeech ....Well history often is... "I have not yet Begun To Fight!"John Paul Jones
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