PoD Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 I just came across this 1716 Affidavit about burial instructions. Its got a rather nice skull and crossbones design on it which would look cool on a flag and its a period design too. ...and then I discovered the wine...
jendobyns Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Cool! It even appears to have fangs! Or sharply filed teeth. Edited May 18, 2011 by jendobyns
Capt. Sterling Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Ahem... a bit more interested in what it has to say... mind a better photo of the text or can you type it out? "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
LadyBarbossa Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 The design is fantastic. But loving the document as well. Incredible info. So, NOTHING but sheeps wool was what they were buried in? I'm curious about this "Act of Parliment" that dictates how one was buried. ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous!
PoD Posted May 19, 2011 Author Posted May 19, 2011 Ahem... a bit more interested in what it has to say... mind a better photo of the text or can you type it out? heres the ebay auction where its for sale: http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item588e16777d I'm curious about this "Act of Parliment" that dictates how one was buried. http://www.traceyour.../woollenact.htm and also a more period reference from 1729: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DpAGAAAAMAAJ&dq=Burial%20in%20Woollen%20Act&pg=PA750#v=onepage&q=Burial%20in%20Woollen%20Act&f=false and 1713 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LqIOAAAAQAAJ&dq=Burial%20in%20Woollen&pg=PA138#v=onepage&q&f=false ...and then I discovered the wine...
Jas. Hook Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 The design is fantastic. But loving the document as well. Incredible info. So, NOTHING but sheeps wool was what they were buried in? I'm curious about this "Act of Parliment" that dictates how one was buried. ~Lady B Lady B - Here is the Wiki quikie on it... My you itch forever in the hereafter. :angry: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search The Burial in Woollen Acts 1666-80 were Acts of the Parliament of England (citation 18 & 19 Cha. II c. 4 (1666) [1], 30 Cha. II c. 3 (1678) [2] and 32 Cha. II c. 1 (1680) [3]) which required the dead, except plague victims, to be buried in pure English woollen shrouds to the exclusion of any foreign textiles[4]. It was a requirement that an affidavit be sworn in front of a Justice of the Peace (usually by a relative of the deceased or some other credible person) confirming burial in wool, with the punishment of a £5 fee for noncompliance. Parish registers were marked with the word affidavit or with a note A or Aff against the burial entries to confirm that affidavit had been sworn, or marked "naked" for those too poor to afford the woollen shroud. Some affidavits survive. This legislation was in force until 1814, but was generally ignored after 1770. These related records are generally regarded as a source of genealogical information, and can help provide evidence of economic status and relationships that may be unavailable elsewhere or ambiguous. Jas. Hook "Born on an island, live on an island... the sea has always been in my blood." Jas. Hook "You can't direct the wind . . . but . . . you can adjust the sails." "Don't eat the chickens with writing on their beaks." Governor Sawney
Mission Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Apparently this skull was drawn after celebrating the taking of a merchant ship loaded with alcohol. It's cross-eyed! Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Capt. Sterling Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Ahem... a bit more interested in what it has to say... mind a better photo of the text or can you type it out? heres the ebay auction where its for sale: http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item588e16777d Thank ye PoD, will make a lovely addition to all the mourning clothes and grave clothes... Edited May 19, 2011 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
PoD Posted May 19, 2011 Author Posted May 19, 2011 cool. I thought it was just me who was obsessed with 17th/18th century documents ha ha ...and then I discovered the wine...
William Brand Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Fantastic. I already snagged it and took out most of the glass glare and oriented it. Some details...
Capt. Sterling Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 cool. I thought it was just me who was obsessed with 17th/18th century documents ha ha I obsess over everything... and thank you William "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Mission Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Outstanding work William! A whole skeleton! Who doesn't like to see that? Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
William Brand Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Don't thank me. Thank our intrepid friend for finding them. It's a good document of the times. The wording is fairly simple and straight forward for a legal document. I typed up a blank version. (Name of Primary Witness) of the Parish of (Name of Parish) in the (Designation of Area - Example: County, Shire, etc) of (Name of Area) maketh Oath, That (Name of Person or Persons being buried) of the Parish of (Name of Parish and 'abovesaid' if the same) lately Deceased, was not put in, wrapt or wound up, or buried in any Shirt, Shift, Sheet, or Shroud made or mingled with Flax, Hemp, Silk, Hair, Gold, or Silver, or other than what is made of Sheeps Wooll only, nor in any Coffin lined or faced with any Cloth, Stuff, or any other things whatsoever made or mingled with Flax, Hemp, Silk, Hair, Gold, or Silver, or any other Material contrary to the late Act of Parliament for Burying in Woollen, but Sheeps Wooll only. Dated the (Numerical day of the Month) Day of (Name of Month) in the (Year of Reign) Year of the Reign of our Sovereign (Name of Sovereign) by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, (King or Queen) Defender of the Faith, &c. And in the Year of our Lord God 17 (Year) Seated and Subscribed by us who were present and Witnesses to the Swearing of the above- said Affidavit. (Place for additional Witnesses) I (Name of Certifying Witness, Title, Occupation, Place of Origin, etc. as the Witness may see fit) do hereby Certify, That the Day and Year abovesaid, the said (Name of Primary Witness) came before me, and made such Affidavit as is above-mention'd, according to the said late Act of Parliament, intituled, And Act for Burying in Woollen. Wit- ness my Hand the Day and Year above-written. Printed for P. Barret Stationer, over-against Chancery-Lane in Fleetstreet.
PoD Posted May 20, 2011 Author Posted May 20, 2011 cool thats saved me some time as I had that on my to-do list for the weekend. I'm not sure where the document would fit in from a maritime point of view but its a nice one to have lying around. Makes you wonder if it was still the law that you had to be buried in wool if you were buried at sea ...and then I discovered the wine...
Capt. Sterling Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Hmmm good question. Have not come across anything other than being sewn up in canvas of some sort.. now it may have made a difference for higher ranking crew members as it was stated in Devil and the Deep Blue sea that if it was feasible, they would sail to the closest bit of land to bury them as burying in the ground was thought to be a better guarantee of being "disposed" of properly... What I find interesting is that there is a penalty for not being buried in wool in England but everyone seems to be buried in linen over in the English American colonies during the same time frame... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Mission Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Unless people were drastically different than today, my thought is that many of them probably just threw them overboard in what they were wearing unless someone was looking. (Especially if someone was mangled in battle. Imagine re-dressing that.) Why does fish food really need to be wrapped in wool? (Then again...why does worm food? The wool manufacturer's guild demanded it?) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
Capt. Sterling Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Well a belief in the Here After and what you had to do in order to get there seems to have played a very important role back then, although I suppose it really made a difference who you were burying as well... Consider: they supposedly sewed Charles II's head back on due to the belief one could not enter Heaven in pieces...if they would go to the trouble to bring Captains back to be buried on land, so as not to have the body disturbed.. being mangled seems have been a problem for them. Remember families used to fight to save the bodies of family members who were hanged for crimes, with bidding wars going on for the bodies, to keep them away from the dissection tables Edited May 20, 2011 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
PoD Posted May 20, 2011 Author Posted May 20, 2011 Unless people were drastically different than today, my thought is that many of them probably just threw them overboard in what they were wearing unless someone was looking. (Especially if someone was mangled in battle. Imagine re-dressing that.) Why does fish food really need to be wrapped in wool? (Then again...why does worm food? The wool manufacturer's guild demanded it?) you might not be far wrong on that. In one of the books i link to about it seems that they were trying to get better sales of wool so the two might be related. Also I think there is mention of people being buried in wool in the bible so maybe it was something to do with that too. Anyway heres a little present for you all. I recreated the document using Williams translation and pictures. The pdf is actual size of 7.5" x 9" ready for you all to print on a sheet of laid paper http://www.cybercyde...s/affidavit.pdf ...and then I discovered the wine...
Mission Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 I've been collecting accounts of bodies being buried on land vs. at sea from the different journals I've read (for my book as this falls under the role of the surgeon...sort of...) and it's about half and half as I've mentioned before. I also have some accounts of amputated limbs being thrown overboard as well. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."
William Brand Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Oh that is very fine! Very fine indeed. Anytime you want a file cleaned up, just let me know. It's worth the finished product. You saved me a little foray into ligature.
Capt. Sterling Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 Well thank ye both...saves my Quartermaster a ton of work... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Jack Roberts Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 Hey!! Do we have the actual documents dimensions? I do love the Skull and Crossbones.
Jack Roberts Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 Oh nevermind, I looked up the ebay link and found it. This is way cool. I love finding stuff like this.
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