Capt. Sterling Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Anyone come across any actual examples of "crossed" writing from the late 17thc into the 18th century? or crossed letter writing Edited May 11, 2011 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Silkie McDonough Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Quick search gave me this. Bradfer - Lawerance, third image down. Rather small though.
Capt. Sterling Posted May 11, 2011 Author Posted May 11, 2011 Aye but that is 1829...I'm reading it was commonplace by the later 18th century... I want to know if they were doing it in our time frame and are their any originals to prove it... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
michaelsbagley Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 I can't view this page from my mobile device... but I recall the below link being posted recently on another forum i am on, and there being lots of extent handwriting examples (and some earlier stuff and lots of later stuff)... it is mostly in French, German and Dutch, but if you are just looking for handwriting styles, there is a lot to draw from... there are also some col maps of cities and battlefields there for those interested in that stuff. Enjoy http://www.digam.net/?str=177 Some navigation to the correct area may be required.. like I said I am reposting the link and can't actually see the content right now. http://www.digam.net/?str=177
Silkie McDonough Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Sterling, Since I had no idea what you were talking about until I did that search I like to think there are others who were just as clueless and I have aided them in their quest for understanding.
Capt. Sterling Posted May 11, 2011 Author Posted May 11, 2011 Good point Silkie....so let me 'splain a bit further... crossed writing was an attempt to save money on postage in England, when the cost depended on how many sheets of paper were sent in a letter,etc. People would write, filling up a side of a page THEN turn the page 90 degrees and write some more on top of the first bit...actually quite easy to read... The stuff I have been reading says it was quite common in the late 18th century, around the AWI...so I was wondering when did it start to be commonplace and if there were any examples of it from the GAoP time frame.. Mickey thanks...very interesting stuff... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Capt. Sterling Posted May 11, 2011 Author Posted May 11, 2011 Thanks Mistress... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
michaelsbagley Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Oops... Miss. Dobyns... I would very much like to appologize. It seems some new feature has been added to the pub, and not being careful of where I was tapping on my pocket mobile device and I accidentally deleted your post. Maybe one of the mods or admins on a real computer can figure a way to restore it... or I will try when I get home. Sorry again
Capt. Sterling Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 To Paraphrase Mistress Dobyns' mistakenly deleted post... I made her go blind and she would jump to it in regards to hunting down any and all possible originals from our time frame...ahem...what a gal! "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Bos'n Cross Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 my head just exploded........im none too sure how easy to read any of that is! -Israel Cross- - Boatswain of the Archangel - . Colonial Seaport Foundation Crew of the Archangel
jendobyns Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 Oops... Miss. Dobyns... I would very much like to appologize. It seems some new feature has been added to the pub, and not being careful of where I was tapping on my pocket mobile device and I accidentally deleted your post. Maybe one of the mods or admins on a real computer can figure a way to restore it... or I will try when I get home. Sorry again Ahhh, another "droidian slip"
jendobyns Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 To Paraphrase Mistress Dobyns' mistakenly deleted post... I made her go blind and she would jump to it in regards to hunting down any and all possible originals from our time frame...ahem...what a gal! oh, noooo, it appears my efforts have been magnified by deletion! Or, rather become enlarged by their absence? Kind of like that big fish that got away Having nothing better to do than send emails to various museum contacts today, I just sent a request for any evidence of this technique in the 18C, the earlier the better. It'll be interesting to see what folks come up with, if anything. And yes, it did funny things to my eyes when I tried to read them
John Maddox Roberts Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 Much later, but it was also resorted to in the Confederate states during the U.S. civil War, because of a dire shortage of paper.
Capt. Sterling Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 my head just exploded........im none too sure how easy to read any of that is! Wait!!! Wait... are ye telling me the blind guy and a bunch of third graders had no trouble reading this and with out spectacles??? "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
Capt. Sterling Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 Here ye go Jen... still had an original in my email account... "---------------------------------------------------------------------- "easy to read" he says, as my eyes go crossed trying to read it! I'll see if I can't get a lead on this, although I suspect it would be a rare thing to survive." "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
jendobyns Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 Thanks! So far the net I cast hasn't yielded anything 18C, although I was given this link for an exhibit of Jane Austen's writing from someone who used to work at Winterthur: http://www.bu.edu/cas/magazine/fall10/Drummond/index.shtml Here ye go Jen... still had an original in my email account... "---------------------------------------------------------------------- "easy to read" he says, as my eyes go crossed trying to read it! I'll see if I can't get a lead on this, although I suspect it would be a rare thing to survive."
Capt. Sterling Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 I contacted Colin Woodard, author of The Republic of Pirates...see if Woodes Rogers' correspondences shows any such technique. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/
jendobyns Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) deleted--it was a duplicate post.<br><br> Edited May 12, 2011 by jendobyns
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