Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Probably German Man’s Coat, circa 1720-1730 Costume/clothing principle attire/upper body, Cut silk velvet, Center back length: 43 1/2 in. (110.49 cm) Los Angeles County Fund (62.6.2) Costume and Textiles Department. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchman Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 so what if were not interested in your dandy fopishness. now we have to be interested just to reply to your statemented question of if we were interested in the first place, which I weren't. Thank you for adding yet another dilema to my day! I'm going to go back to my drug enduced state now. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 Ah yes, you would not be interested as there are no flowers embroidered on the coat...ahem...like your new one... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I have a beautiful Deep Forest green velvet ...yards & yards of it ...I can't ever see Fionn dressing like this and me...well, I am just too hot ...I mean too warm for anything more than linen. Hmmm ...Maybe a barter item that ...hmmm ...although I loath the idea of giving up my beautiful velvet I have had it for at least 10 years and have not used it yet ...many yards of it too. Hmmmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchman Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 ohhhhh, so its ok for Foxe to have embroidered flowers and is complimented by you yersef- but oh no just one snide comment about your beloved cousin robbie and i'm damned to have poison ivy embroidery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain McCool Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 That is absolutely phenomenal! Are there any other pitures? Of the back perhaps? And does this one get any bigger? Captain Jack McCool, landlocked pirate extraordinaire, Captain of the dreaded prairie schooner Ill Repute, etc. etc. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "That’s what a ship is, you know. It’s not just a keel, and a hull, and a deck, and sails. That’s what a ship needs. But what a ship is… what the Black Pearl really is… is freedom." -Captain Jack Sparrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 ohhhhh, so its ok for Foxe to have embroidered flowers and is complimented by you yersef- but oh no just one snide comment about your beloved cousin robbie and i'm damned to have poison ivy embroidery. Foxe's lovely flowers were for his wife to wear... and aye... yer damned to be a fop, even though you will never admit it...so stop making fun of the red velvet coat because deep down inside you are dying to own one... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn Bloody Sam Rackham Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 (edited) I may be interested in the Forest Green Velvet... Wonderful coat there, Cap'n Sterling. Aye, are there any more pics? Edited April 22, 2010 by Capn Bloody Sam Rackham 'Til the Morrow,Cap'n Bloody Sam RackhamCaptain o' The Cursed FewCo Organizer o' The Southern Pirate FestivalShip's Carpenter o' The Atlanta Pirates & Wenches Guild Member of Order of Leviathan 2nd Generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 That is absolutely phenomenal! Are there any other pitures? Of the back perhaps? And does this one get any bigger? On the site, no there were no more photos of different views... um but you can trying contacting the museum to see if you can get some done... of course I can't remember which museum it was now since I went through the collections of seven of em last night... I have the info some where though... I think its Los Angels off the top of my head though "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Jack Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Probably German Man’s Coat, circa 1720-1730 Costume/clothing principle attire/upper body, Cut silk velvet, Center back length: 43 1/2 in. (110.49 cm) Los Angeles County Fund (62.6.2) Costume and Textiles Department. It's LA, according to the in-post description . . . -John "Tartan Jack" Wages, of South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captscurvy_nc Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 ohhhhh, so its ok for Foxe to have embroidered flowers and is complimented by you yersef- but oh no just one snide comment about your beloved cousin robbie and i'm damned to have poison ivy embroidery. Foxe's lovely flowers were for his wife to wear... and aye... yer damned to be a fop, even though you will never admit it...so stop making fun of the red velvet coat because deep down inside you are dying to own one... Based on the coat he wore at the Mrcus Hook festival I thought he was one already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 Probably German Man’s Coat, circa 1720-1730 Costume/clothing principle attire/upper body, Cut silk velvet, Center back length: 43 1/2 in. (110.49 cm) Los Angeles County Fund (62.6.2) Costume and Textiles Department. It's LA, according to the in-post description . . . Aye well lookee that... too early in the morning... thought it said LA Funding... which wouldn't necessarily prove location...thank you... saves me having to look it up later "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Midnight Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 That is AWESOME Captain Sterling! Thank you for posting that! "Now then, me bullies! Would you rather do the gallows dance, and hang in chains 'til the crows pluck your eyes from your rotten skulls? Or would you feel the roll of a stout ship beneath your feet again?" ---Captain William Kidd--- (1945) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 Tartan Jack is correct, tis from the LACMA( Los Angeles County Museum of Art) and it has an Exhibition Catalog for This Artwork Velvets East and West: From the 14th to the 20th Century. Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art, 1966, p. 49, Cat. no. 36 It doesn't appear to be a loaner, and with the catalog, you may be able to get more information if you contact them "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 I think the sleeve head/cap is most interesting...for all the coats that have it laying smooth, this one certainly shows it gathered to fit the armscye. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=24161;type=101 direct link "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 Based on the coat he wore at the Mrcus Hook festival I thought he was one already... Tis the pain killers speaking for him... he's not aware of what he saying "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graydog Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 (edited) Probably German Man’s Coat, circa 1720-1730 Costume/clothing principle attire/upper body, Cut silk velvet, Center back length: 43 1/2 in. (110.49 cm) Los Angeles County Fund (62.6.2) Costume and Textiles Department. It's LA, according to the in-post description . . . This is correct, ever since they started taxing us out of our friggin minds this is how our politicians dress in California. Edited April 22, 2010 by Graydog Why am I sharing my opinion? Because I am a special snowflake who has an opinion of such import that it must be shared and because people really care what I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Ooohhh.... pretty. I like the matching shoes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Jack Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 That would be a GREAT suit for a fop. - Looks like something worn by a gentleman of the period. It doesn't look like the heals are red, so the wear must not have been in the royal court (at least they weren't not so and faked it . . . ) -John "Tartan Jack" Wages, of South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 hmmm, in my opinion...humble or not... kind of bland for a fop don't ye think? Rather common looking for more upper middle class or higher up as far as the coat goes.. now the waistcoat would most likely be a wealthier look but still rather tame "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisios Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Probably German Man's Coat, circa 1720-1730 Costume/clothing principle attire/upper body, Cut silk velvet, Center back length: 43 1/2 in. (110.49 cm) Los Angeles County Fund (62.6.2) Costume and Textiles Department. What strikes me, is the stifness of the material, I have been looking at the picture of the frock coat of the "reconstructinghistory" site: Figuring that was the look to go fore... Then again I also just bought the Buccaneers and Pirates book of osprey wandering if the giant coats shown there are just the way Angus paints (I have other books with paintings from him that show's men a we bit more massif than that they would have been in real...) or that there's a truth in there... Then offcourse it all depents on the material used... I haved been looking at wool, linnen or cotton (for a upper class soldier) figuring that a stiff cotton cloth would make such a garb look awkward... but then the antique dress shown here looks awkward to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Jack Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 The illustrations in that Osprey series (written by Konstam) is an odd mesh of images. That's one book from Osprey I'd NOT use as the basis for a historically accurate kit. MacBride is an illustrator, and a very good one, that used the guidance of the author-historian(s) to make his drawings. I'd not fault him for inaccuracies. As for what period-accurate garb is most appropriate . . . What exactly are you trying to portray? There were several accurate, but quite different, looks one would see around the docks in the period- some were sailors, business-men (bartering w/ the pirates), backers for privateers, beggars, craftsmen (oft w/ trade-specific items), typical sailors, officers, captains who weren't really qualified and were gentlemen-on-adventure, police, marines (and mercenary-marines hiring themselves out to ships and cargo vessels w/ valuable cargo), loved ones, various "support" industries, and so forth. -John "Tartan Jack" Wages, of South Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) This coat is not interlined... I know, because I was asked to make it and was asked not to interline due to not enough documentation at the time. I believe it is necessary to have the interlining inside the coats as per Norah Waugh's advice that it was common in the 18th century (and somewhat earlier) to have it and because it gives the coat the proper silhouette to the time frame. My advice, for what it is worth, is to interline...my coats all have it... it takes time to do all the extra tailoring but it truly gives the proper appearance for the time frame instead of just hanging off the figure. Wools look great with it, but even with the interlining the linen coat I have just looses a lot compared to the woolen ones... Edited April 23, 2010 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 hmmm, in my opinion...humble or not... kind of bland for a fop don't ye think? Rather common looking for more upper middle class or higher up as far as the coat goes.. now the waistcoat would most likely be a wealthier look but still rather tame I think I somewhat agree with you here... It doesn't seem to fit the image of the really well placed fops (going from the fashion plates and other paintings)... But it does seem to be more or less on par with what Desportes was wearing in that painting of him with the hunting dogs. Gorgeous outfit, thanks for sharing that Sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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