Ransom Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Why meet at an East Coast site? Why not the South? Why not the West? You see where this is going? Why not meet in Utah during the Bacon Fest (that is a joke, but...) located in the middle of the country so everyone wishing to have a say has an equal travel time? It's logistics. Where would you hold such a congress where all the players could come without it costing them a fortune in air/car travel? ...schooners, islands, and maroons and buccaneers and buried gold... You can do everything right, strictly according to procedure, on the ocean, and it'll still kill you. But if you're a good navigator, a least you'll know where you were when you died.......From The Ship Killer by Justin Scott. "Well, that's just maddeningly unhelpful."....Captain Jack Sparrow Found in the Ruins — Unique Jewelry Found in the Ruins — Personal Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 My reply to Callenish... I agree Hugh...but what makes it work is being able to shift through the baggage with folks that are willing to communicate...it is wonderful to be able to ask, "what do you mean by that?" with the hopes that everyone will eventually be heard and understood. Baggage or not, everyone should be able to contribute and sit down together to try and make something work...will we make something perfect? fat chance... but we can always try and I am sure there will be disagreements but certainly there will be things that we can all come to agreement on, so we implement those items? For anything negative person A might come up with, person b might actually have a positive solution that person A never saw...and vice versa, person B comes up with something so bloody sunny it make you puke, and person A's negativity can point out that certain aspects won't work...so you find the middle ground and implement something that might not be pefect but actually will provide something positive in the long run... there are always bugs to work out... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Good point Ransom... perhaps this should be whittled down to an East coast item only? Perhaps a west coast foundation could follow suit IF the east coast foundation actually works? "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Mickey said: A great and positive suggestion, and I appreciate you taking my jocularity for what it was. But any meeting of the minds should include a few battles to blow off some steam! Here! Here! agreed, along with large quantities of rum and absinth (sp) but after hours... we all have enough baggage to bring to the table without being intoxicated to start... and then again... we might make better sense three sheets to the wind... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ok we need to find Switzerland!!! Someplace totally neutral for the majority ...Missouri comes to mind far from the oceans and midway north and south as well. Casual dress required NO KIT so everyone comes in on even footing!!! Check your weapons at the door!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 See, and right off the bat, you've created a division — East vs West. (This was in reply to Sterlings idea of an East coast group going first) ...schooners, islands, and maroons and buccaneers and buried gold... You can do everything right, strictly according to procedure, on the ocean, and it'll still kill you. But if you're a good navigator, a least you'll know where you were when you died.......From The Ship Killer by Justin Scott. "Well, that's just maddeningly unhelpful."....Captain Jack Sparrow Found in the Ruins — Unique Jewelry Found in the Ruins — Personal Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Well it just happens that a person on the east coast is attempting to try such an organizing...why not open up such a suggestion on the west coast...? no one is stopping you... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ok we need to find Switzerland!!! Someplace totally neutral for the majority ...Missouri comes to mind far from the oceans and midway north and south as well. Casual dress required NO KIT so everyone comes in on even footing!!! Check your weapons at the door!!!! sniggering...honestly Hugh? the gent attempting the organization might only want to cover the east coast, because what are the odds of east coasters regularly going to the west coast? now that is not to say that for insurance purposes he might not be wanting to grow that large and he might even want to start out including the entire country... but first he needs to hear what folks want and he's open to suggestions... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Dang Blackjohn, the quote worked but not the actual post I was quoting from...sigh captured an entirely different post...but at least it didn't just duplicate what I was typing.. Edited October 5, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 What is this fascination with insurance? Is that the only reason to form an umbrella organization? (But then, from my POV, I suppose this doesn't really matter. I'm not interested in joining an umbrella organization, insurance or no. If some events require re-enactors to have organizational insurance, I'll eschew them.) And we're wayyy OT here. Perhaps we need to strip the umbrella org. topics out of the authenticity discussion? Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 and Hugh, we can always pick the weapons up after hours... and yes, for what its worth, again, just for an example, the first BB meeting was in mundanes or for the regiments that had them modern blazers with regimental crests and ties, along with gray flannel trousers... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Dang Blackjohn, the quote worked but not the actual post I was quoting from...sigh captured an entirely different post...but at least it didn't just duplicate what I was typing.. That's bizarre. I notice awhile back you tried to quote me and you quoted yourself. Strange problem you have there. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theM.A.dDogge Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 i seem to recall a Gent...that was purposing this very thing ...in the Mid-West quite some time ago...suggested a meeting of the minds...from every venue groups/and individuals alike....to try an organise an overall body of pirates of every nature to defend one another as well as help with venues as well as knowledge..... ....and all he asked in return....to be named...Pyrate King... .... love him, obey him, do everything he asked....and he would be your slave.... whatever happend to him???.... ..... oh yeah...he was caught red handed stealing off a venders table...cops drug him away in public...and was banned from all MId West events.... ....and so missed the meeting..... ...i wonder where he is now?? WELL...in his absence....i would like to take the oppurtunity...to throw MY NOMINATION...for said PYRATE KING!! i swear to up hold My ideals....excluding all others at my discretion...and dole out Justice with impunity...and...and.... wait...got to go....the wife will get angry if i dont finish the dishes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Again Mission that is your choice, but for others and I haven't come across any pirate events YET that don't supply the insurance to cover those actively participating...it may be something in the future that we will all need. When I started AWI all the events we attended or even heard about required individual units to have their own insurance...with the horses, we had a very pricey insurance and with my younger brother taking the field as a trumpeteer, we had a special million dollar umbrella just to cover him... my dad could afford it, but there were other units as individuals that couldn't... I believe there was a blurb a bit back on the Pirate Brethren (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) that dealt with the thought of being prepared for if events no longer feel they can afford to cover everyone and didn't Nate have problems funding the insurance needed for Paynestown this year? If the crews were insured by a umbrella group, each individual's costs should be less than if a crew were doing their own insurance... if we all had insurance then folks like Historyfanatic may not have had an issue having to come up with insurance himself... sure it would be nice for events to continue to cover us, but what if they feasible can't? Edited October 5, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Posted Today, 04:01 PM View PostCapt. Sterling, on 05 October 2009 - 03:29 PM, said: Damnation Blackjohn what's taking you so long? :D So far, I'm stumped. LOL... honestly I appreciate the assistance! Much obliged as always for all your help "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) View PostCapt. Sterling, on 05 October 2009 - 05:05 PM, said: Dang Blackjohn, the quote worked but not the actual post I was quoting from...sigh captured an entirely different post...but at least it didn't just duplicate what I was typing.. That's bizarre. I notice awhile back you tried to quote me and you quoted yourself. Strange problem you have there. Yeah tis all Stynky's fault...him and his new toys....besides I just like to hear myself talk, no one else will listen to me any way...just ask Maddogge... Edited October 5, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 To Mission et al; dealing with blackpowder does have some inherent dangers and accidents can happen. If a member of the public is injured it is the major concern of event coordinators. I have also seen live steel demonstrations go horribly wrong when a sword breaks and sharp steels goes flying into a crowd. The resulting lawsuits could destroy an individuals life and home not to mention the organization who is sponsoring the event. The same as professionals are required to carry liability coverage for their business these events need to protect themselves from potential liability litigation that I have also seen come down on the individual who is coordinating the events as well. It is one of the reasons you seldom see unscripted battle scenarios at events. Even minimum scripting gives the players an idea of how the action is to take place. As a sutler at events I also have a secondary insurance that I have to provide because events don't cover the actions of secondary business ventures; it part of doing business. Since you as an individual don't carry or use a weapon at most events your likelihood of being sued is far less. unless, for instance, some random child picks up one of your surgical knives and injures someone. Then perhaps you could be liable for not having them secured from public access. just an aside from the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may well be), but doesn't insurance usually protect the place having the event against liability? That's how it is with haunted houses. The individual is not protected by the haunted house insurance policies, the location and the city is. I do believe the park protects us by making us temporary employees at PiP, but I'll bet that's more expensive insurance than just protecting the city or state or park or whatever. (Besides, most lawyers aren't after lil' ole' me. I'm not worth their time or expense chits. They want to go after something with deep pockets.) Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 As acting as an agent for the venue usually you can be covered if they set it up that way. At PIP we are covered as park "volunteers" not employees so none of us could sue the park (workers comp) if we get hurt during our battles or encampment activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Meaning re-enactors need insurance at events that require them to have it. It doesn't protect us, it protects the event sponsors. Still not seeing why I should care... I'd rather just skip those events. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Yes the Fort at Pip chooses to do that and I believe, again correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that is what they were attempting do at Paynetown, and so far, pirate events do that, but it may not always be the case..and as Hugh stated, just because the event does chose to cover us, doesn't mean that the injured party won't go after us as individuals... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Well it just happens that a person on the east coast is attempting to try such an organizing...why not open up such a suggestion on the west coast...? no one is stopping you... Gah! No thanks. I merely wanted to point out that, even if the East coast governing body (by some miracle) actually worked, then a few years down the road, the West coast decided to create their own governing body, then, say the South and Midwest does the same...who then governs the governing bodies? Each coast, or midland, is going to have different priorities, depending on the number and type of events held in their part of the world. I don't think one set of rules is going to work for each region. I would also be afraid these satellite governing bodies would end up creating more regional differences within the pyracy community than there already are. Oh, and I vote for M.A. d'Dogge for Pyrate King, just as soon as he's done with the dishes. ...schooners, islands, and maroons and buccaneers and buried gold... You can do everything right, strictly according to procedure, on the ocean, and it'll still kill you. But if you're a good navigator, a least you'll know where you were when you died.......From The Ship Killer by Justin Scott. "Well, that's just maddeningly unhelpful."....Captain Jack Sparrow Found in the Ruins — Unique Jewelry Found in the Ruins — Personal Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 And I seen lots of "ambulance chasers" who will file against anyone remotely connected to a mishap!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ugh, my head hurts from all this spinning... Hugh, those are great points.... But most re-enacting (and yes there are plenty of exceptions) is in the public view. As the re-enacting is in the public view (and hence requiring insurance), the re-enactors are providing a service. Perhaps a service we enjoy and would likely do whether we were performing or not, but a service none the less. And that really drags this into the bottomless pit that is the pay to play, or payed to perform debate. Personally, while I don't give a rats backside about getting paid to do this, I feel any event that is making money or profiting in any way of my performance should be picking up the tab. I'm already out of pocket all the the time and materials for my gear, my travel expenses, and often food and other sundry costs, should I (or any other re-enactor) also be forced to pay to entertain and pad the pockets of the festival organizers? (or town chamber of commerce, or local stores, or whomever else makes money off us) This doesn't include charity, a good deal of my re-enacting is for one charity or another, but amusingly enough, I have found the charities are often more willing to foot the bill on insurance (generally with a rider on their existing insurance) than the profitable ventures. Insurance may be a concern, but so far I have found the insurance issue has been a good litmus test for events I want to be involved in. Those that want it, are generally making money and hence not events I want anything to do with, those that don't want it or provide it, are generally the ones I favour. Of course there is a pretty wide spread on views for this, and quite a variety of different places where folks draw those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I sincerely doubt most of us are worth their time, but I guess I choose to live dangerously in that regard. Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?" John: "I don't know." Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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