Capt. Sterling Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hang on ladies, I just started one, will photograph the progress for you and add instructions... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Actress Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hang on ladies, I just started one, will photograph the progress for you and add instructions... Cheeky smiling...."Fer me, Captain? Is it blue...Do tell!" Member of "The Forsaken" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Good lawd lass ...ya speak as if yer d'only woman in d'mans life! E'as is'daughter Sarah t'care fer too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hang on ladies, I just started one, will photograph the progress for you and add instructions... Cheeky smiling...."Fer me, Captain? Is it blue...Do tell!" Tis blue but nay, tis not fer ye "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Good lawd lass ...ya speak as if yer d'only woman in d'mans life! E'as is'daughter Sarah t'care fer too! Tis not fer Sarah neither.... snigger "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNell Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 oohhh..LOL....always keep em guessing.... thats what I like about ya Captain .. “PIRACY, n. Commerce without its folly-swaddles, just as God made it.” Ambrose Bierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Actress Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Good lawd lass ...ya speak as if yer d'only woman in d'mans life! E'as is'daughter Sarah t'care fer too! But it is dear Mother Rose who has taken care of Sarah for 'not these 14 years, Silkie. The Captain rather spend his money on his other 'favorites' - He has a grand heart indeed! Though, he now has me very concerned about his making petticoats...I fear it might be for himself! Edited January 7, 2009 by Cheeky Actress Member of "The Forsaken" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) **looks at her strangley** THAT will be the day! What do ye think I am a coward like Stede Bonnet? Trying to escape dressed like a woman? Not I! Maddogge maybe but Not I... I'll ...ahem ... sneak out of ...trouble.... um... some other way....like ...under a woman's petticotes... maybe... or a leap ...ahem.. from a wife's bedroom window...ah...trust me, hiding under the bed does not work....ack...ahem... And...ahem... I be broke due to monkeys, tutors, and silks fer Sarah... do not ye go believing that Rose actually pays fer the maid's upkeep... Edited January 7, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyBarbossa Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Ooo... cannot wait t' see the new petticoat, Sterling. Shall we see it at RF5? Hmm? I LOVE doing petticoats. Oh, speaking of .... which term do ye prefer t' use? Petticoat? or Jupe? I've heard of both being the same and yet I've heard of both being different? I haven't seen much of a clarification of what the difference is between the jupe and the petticoat. Or is there one? What jupes I've seen are always seen and rather decorated or the nicer of the skirtings. But I have seen some label a decorated skirting as a petticoat, too. And yet a petticoat labeled as an underskirt somewhat like a slip of sorts. Confused yet? And Sarah be more than well worth th' possessions she be showed with. ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCholeBlack Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 A Basic Petticoat Tutorial The corresponding Knife Pleating Tutorial A Tutorial on leveling a petticoat from the waist for wearing over pocket hoops. This tutorial can be altered to construct a petticoat to go over any shaped underpinning, from farthingales to bustles and everything in between. Hope that helps Chole "If part of the goods be plundered by a pirate the proprietor or shipmaster is not entitled to any contribution." An introduction to merchandize, Robert Hamilton, 1777Slightly Obsessed, an 18th Century reenacting blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Wow! Fantastic Chole, now I only need to add pictures for them what learn best by visuals... well done. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Diamond Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 A Tutorial on leveling a petticoat from the waist for wearing over pocket hoops. This tutorial can be altered to construct a petticoat to go over any shaped underpinning, from farthingales to bustles and everything in between. Chole, Would you be able to let us know which shaped underpinnings would be appropriate for GAoP? Thanks! Oooh, shiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyBarbossa Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Very nice, Chole. Oh, I LOVE pleating my petticoats. I LOATHE th' drawstring skirting and gave up on those a few years back. been making the pleated petticoats with the waistband since then. Granted, the pleating is time consuming, it's far better in the end. :) ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady constance Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 were the petticoats/ skirts ever made with wool? and if so, would a melton type of wool be best choice of wool?-- or would that strictly be for a mantua? i have some gorgeous summer wool suiting { a gentle red/ brown stripe running thru a gray/black wool....} { can yah tell i still remember the chill of PiP 08 ?}.........{ i will forever carry warm and cold weather PC fabric clothing with me here ever after!} and FYI-- for those who live with a hancock fabric around them-- HUGE CLEARANCE SALES OF silk{ all kinds}..and i found a few linen wool blends also-- we are talking 3.50 - 7.00 @ yard-- 60-65" wide fabrics--- lady constance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCholeBlack Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Chole,Would you be able to let us know which shaped underpinnings would be appropriate for GAoP? Thanks! Happily. Take a deep breath 'cause this could be long winded Basically, the hoop petticoat originates in ~1710. I don't believe any of the extant examples in museums currently date from pre 1750 unfortunately. They are so rare to find in collections in the first place that it doesn't really surprise me but it would be nice to find an older piece. However, there are numerous mentions of hoops & hooped petticoats during the GAoP. Just a quick few O MOTHER. A HOOP ! To this tune Cibber wrote the song " What woman could do, I have tried, to be free," for his ballad-opera of Love in a Middle, 1729. It is also printed in The Merry Musician, ii. 7. In The Livery Bake, 1733, the air takes the name of Cibber's song; but in Damon and Phillida, 1734, it is entitled 0 Mother, a hoop !There are two versions of " 0 Mother, a hoop! " the one as a song, the other " A Dialogue between Miss Molly and her Mother about a hoop." A copy of the latter will be found in one of the collections in the British Museum (H. 1601, p. 532). It consists of ten stanzas, commencing thus: — Daughter.—"What a fine thing have I seen to-day, 0 Mother, a hoop : I pray let me have one, and do not say nay, 0 Mother, a hoop." Mother.—" You must not have one, dear Moll, to be sure, For hoops do men's eyes and men's hearts so allure, No, Molly, no hoop, no hoop, No, Molly, no hoop." Daughter.—" Dear Mother, let women wear what, they will, 0, &c. Men's eyes and men's hearts will be roving still; 0, &c. Whether decently clothed or sluttishly dress'd, Some men prefer these and others the rest. 0, &c. Men wear lac'd hats and ladies lae'd shoes, Men with canvas and whalebone do stiffen their clothes, Then why should the men the ladies abuse For applying the same things, and to the same use. Pray hear me, dear Mother, what I have been taught— Nine men and nine women o'erset in a boat, The men were all drown'd, but the women did float, And by help of their hoops they all safely got out," William Chappell, 1859, Popular Music of the Olden Time a Collection of Ancient Songs, Ballads and Dance Tunes Illustrative of the National Music of England Part Two: A collection of ancient songs, ballads and dance-tunes. With short introductions ... also a short account of the minstrels, p 649 The following appeared at Bath in 1711THE FARTHINGALE REVIVED on MORE WORK FOR THE COOPER A PANEGYRIOK ON THE LATE BUT MOST ADMIRABLE INVENTION OF THE HOOPED PETTICOAT There's scarce a brd that writ in former time Had e'er so great so bright a theme for rhyme. The Mantua swain if living would confess, Ours more surprising than his Tynan dress. And Ovid's mistress in her loose attire, Would cease to charm his eyes or fan Love's fire. Were he in Bath and had these coats in view Hed write his metamorphosis anew, Delia fresh hooped would o er his heart prevail, To leave Corinna and her tawdry veil Amelia Mott Gummere, 1901, The Quaker A Study in Costume, 138 ADVERTISEMENT. hereas Bridget Howd'ee, late servant to the Lady Farthingale, a short, thick, lively, hard-favoured wench, of about twenty-nine years of age, her eyes small and bleared, her nose very broad at bottom, and turning up at the end, her mouth wide, and lips of an unusual thickness, two teeth out before, the rest black and uneven, the tip of her left ear being of a mouse-colour, her voice loud and shrill, quick of speech, and some-thing of a Welsh accent; withdrew herself on Wednesday last from her ladyship's dwelling-house, and, with the help of her consorts, carried off the following goods of her said lady--viz.......a quilted petticoat of the largest size, and one of canvas with whale-bone hoops; three pair of stays, bolstered below the left shoulder; two pair of hips of the newest fashion, The Tattler, Issue 245, Nov. 2, 1710, pp. 248-249 I find several Speculative Persons are of Opinion that our Sex has of late Years been very sawcy, and that the Hoop Petticoat is made use of to keep us at a Distance. The Speculator, Issue 127, July 26, 1711, p.496 THE LADY's ANSWER, T O T H E Sev'ral little Satyres O N T H E HOOP'D PETTICOATS." & ...Faith ! Hoops would be good Winter Quarters john; If they were not too near the Torrid Zone. Others again maliciously infold, And swear the Hoop's a Lever's lurking Hold... ...To quite the Shore and loose the eager Sail) Since we design to heighten your Restraint, (Which seems to be the greatest Punishment) And make the Hoops much larger than before, For meer Revenge, we'll trouble with no more: But, if again you venture any where, 'To ridicule, by Love we will not spare. FINIS. Boradside, National Library of Scotland, Word on the Street Archive, Probable publication date 1710-1720 If you've got access to a college library the following is an interesting read on the subject of hoops during the long 18th century. Chrisman, Kimberly. Unhoop the Fair Sex: The Campaign Against the Hoop Petticoat in Eighteenth-Century England Eighteenth-Century Studies - Volume 30, Number 1, Fall 1996, pp. 5-23 Available through Project Muse There's more but it's a late for me to be digging through my notes. Hope that helps Chole Edited January 9, 2009 by CrazyCholeBlack "If part of the goods be plundered by a pirate the proprietor or shipmaster is not entitled to any contribution." An introduction to merchandize, Robert Hamilton, 1777Slightly Obsessed, an 18th Century reenacting blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkie McDonough Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Helps? Helps make my head ache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 a rough idea "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyBarbossa Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 were the petticoats/ skirts ever made with wool?and if so, would a melton type of wool be best choice of wool?-- or would that strictly be for a mantua? i have some gorgeous summer wool suiting { a gentle red/ brown stripe running thru a gray/black wool....} Not sure of the melton... but, aye. there were wool petticoats. Costume Close-Up features one of these lovely wool petticoats. It has a type of silky glaze to it making it look less wool and more like some silk. Looks are deceiving though, cause it is wool. I can't remember if it's quilted or not. (thought I had that book handy with me, but I don't) Layering of petticoats helps, too. Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumba Rue Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I can't wait to see Sterling in his petticoats..... I find it amazing that several men here know more about women's costuming then the women! cross dressers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I can't wait to see Sterling in his petticoats..... I find it amazing that several men here know more about women's costuming then the women! cross dressers? Nah, just a very few of us have figured out that the best way to get a woman out of her clothes, is to get her into a very nice set of clothes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Oi are we wearing kilts to the ball at RF5 again this year? Hell kilts or breeches, Maddogge may still be the prettiest, but I still have the best legs....snigger... Edited January 9, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Chrispy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 It always pays to stay abreast of fashion trends. Illustration courtesy of Patrick Hand, and his Pyrate Comix. To see comic in it's entirety, click below http://pyracy.com/index.php?showtopic=13374 All rights reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't know Capt'n I've got some pretty calves, if'n I don't say so myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 Sorry Jack, can't say I've noticed.... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Syren Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Did someone say KILTS!?!? Im so in...*Grins impishly* http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Dara286/trident01-11.png If you got a dream chase it, cause a dream won't chase you back...(Cody Johnson Till you Can't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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