hurricane Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Thanks for the compliment sir, I'm blushing... java script:add_smilie(" ","smid_10") As for the clothing list, good start. Black would not have been a readily available color then. The dyes were expensive and it was hard to get a real black in fabric. The boots... without getting into the larger (and often heated) discussion about bucket boots, they are allowed at Searle's, along with sandals and latchet shoes for men. Many of the re-enactors in the photos have bucket boots. I will have them as well there this year, so it won't be a problem. Remember, buccaneers weren't sailors like pirates were. They were land fighters primarily. In fact, Henry Morgan ran three of his ships aground. He hated the sailing part and couldn't wait to get his forces on dry land since that's what they were trained for. Think army, not navy in this case. That said, I think it's kind of funny that the buccaneers are the ones who did do the deck to deck attacks on ships, seized forts, sacked towns, had fleets of ships, and just about everything associated instead with those in the Golden Age, where the tactics and goals were much different. The lines have been blurred but I think there are some fundamental differences. Buccaneers - in the truest sense, fought for king and country and never attacked their own country's ships or towns. Many of Morgan's attacks were meant to keep the Spanish at bay and out of Jamaica... preemptive attacks if you will. Sure, there was pay to be had and it was certainly part of the equation, but the operations had strategic reasons as well. Pirates, on the other hand, were loyal only to themselves and their crewes for the most part... a big difference in philosophy. I know this is an over simplification and there are exceptions on both sides, but I wanted those who aren't familiar with buccaneers to have a sense of the basic differences. -- Hurricane Edited December 11, 2008 by hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mickey Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Good start. Black would not have been a readily available color then. The dyes were expensive and it was hard to get a real black in fabric. I did do some quick hemp research and found this. I can use the same pattern as the waist coat I used for the black one (as long as it is PC enough). I will need to figure out the right period buttons. I would think simple brass or bone? The boots... without getting into the larger (and often heated) discussion about bucket boots, they are allowed at Searle's, along with sandals and latchet shoes for men. Many of the re-enactors in the photos have bucket boots. I will have them as well there this year, so it won't be a problem. Now that be music to mine ears.... Now, I think for most of the time, I'd prefer to go barefoot... If I do go the stockings and shoes route, I have converted thrift store shoes before. I turned a pair of work boots into copies of Jack Sparrow suede boots for about $30 before. I think the challenge will be the buckle. So saying that I can pass the garb muster, What is the next step to taking part in the festivities? I do not own a working flint lock and I don't think that I will be dropping $300-$500 for one in the next few months...Also, I don't have a tent, but I did see your home depot material post. Mickey Flint First Mate o' the Harbinger Me Website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Sophia M Eisley Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Hey all,Is this a good event to try and do that? I'd love any suggestions from any of you. I am also in FL now (formerly Boulder and Chicago) in the Tampa Bay area. Hi Captain Mickey - I see you're from a town in my old neck of the woods (grew up in Aurora and Castle Rock CO). Definately heed Hurricane and Michael's advice on the garb...I see you're list is good so far. I'm working on a set of men's garb myself, since I'll have to dress as one if I want to join in on the battles. Found a decent jerkin to go with the tunic I wore to PiP. Just have to find good socks/stockings and may make a pair of slops, or buy a pair depending on what style I like best that fits their event. Edited December 11, 2008 by Cpt Sophia M Eisley Perhaps we'll meet again under better circumstances. ---(---(@ Dead Men...Tell No Tales. Welcome, Foolish Mortals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Sophia M Eisley Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hey Hurricane - As far as shoes go are the ones Mary Diamond sells alright? I got rid of the buckles on mine and used ribbon laces. They look quite nice now (and were very comfortable at PiP). Perhaps we'll meet again under better circumstances. ---(---(@ Dead Men...Tell No Tales. Welcome, Foolish Mortals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Yes, those should work, as far as I know. I am going to get Willie to chime in here. He's been to Searle's -- we were invited to go at St. Arrgustine so we're excited to try the earlier representation. I'll bug Willie to get in here (the voice of experience?). :) -- Hurricane Hey Hurricane - As far as shoes go are the ones Mary Diamond sells alright? I got rid of the buckles on mine and used ribbon laces. They look quite nice now (and were very comfortable at PiP). -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie wobble Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Well the last time i had on ladies shoes ,,,,,,, but seriously, Sophia ribbons for laces is good or ropas , i do more of the common working folk and cook not captain so ropas or barefoot , I don't own boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedJessi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Oh, and RedJessi, are those Flogging Molly tickets available yet? Been a huge fan for many a year! Aye, got my tickets ordered and set for delivery. You coming to the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mickey Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Oh, and RedJessi, are those Flogging Molly tickets available yet? Been a huge fan for many a year! Aye, got my tickets ordered and set for delivery. You coming to the show? Indeed I am lass. Being of fine Irish stock meself, I find it hard to resist raising a pint and listening to my most favorite angsty crooners from the Emerald Isle. I shall be there by me lonesome though, as I think the rest of me crew shall be birthed elsewhere. If the planets and stars align, I will work it out to tack in the direction of St. Augustine Friday morn after finding me a place to board Thursday night. I have noted that I tend to be a bit wobbly in the legs after a Flogging Molly show. Whether from the dancing or the grog, well, I not really be caring, savvy? Perhaps I shall see ye there. I have noted, that you stand out in a crowd, and the hall is not so large (as I frequent it often). Mickey Flint First Mate o' the Harbinger Me Website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mickey Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Gents, are drop front knee britches PC? They have laced tie in the back and buttons on the knee... Mickey Flint First Mate o' the Harbinger Me Website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 Gents, are drop front knee britches PC? They have laced tie in the back and buttons on the knee... My research seems to indicate that drop front breeches are a much later period thing... They start to appear by the 1740s, but don't become common until later in the 18th century... That said, I honestly don't see that as being a detail that will show up much and can probably be hidden if that is what you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 (edited) Just don't drop them in front of the public and you'll probably be good. :) -- Hurricane Edited December 12, 2008 by hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev.Sam Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Just don't drop them in front of the public and you'll probably be good. :)-- Hurricane Ba-doom-ching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mickey Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Gents, are drop front knee britches PC? They have laced tie in the back and buttons on the knee... My research seems to indicate that drop front breeches are a much later period thing... They start to appear by the 1740s, but don't become common until later in the 18th century... That said, I honestly don't see that as being a detail that will show up much and can probably be hidden if that is what you have. Well, that is a great excuse to make some new slops! Mickey Flint First Mate o' the Harbinger Me Website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mickey Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Just don't drop them in front of the public and you'll probably be good. :)-- Hurricane Excuse me while I whip this out...no really that's just my "flintlock"! Mickey Flint First Mate o' the Harbinger Me Website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I'm looking at possibly making something along the lines of this... Just looking at the cut, not the fancy adds. Will the sleeves be slashed on both sides? Would this work? I'll use the shirts I currently have. I'll probably make some baggy trousers to go with it and my boots. (Whoo hoo! I can use them after all. ) The pants will be a kinda of drawstring type (I'll probably still button them.) Kinda of gathered into a waistband. Length will be past the knee about mid - lower calf? Will the leg closure tie or button? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mickey Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I'm looking at possibly making something along the lines of this... Just looking at the cut, not the fancy adds. Will the sleeves be slashed on both sides? Would this work? I'll use the shirts I currently have. I'll probably make some baggy trousers to go with it and my boots. (Whoo hoo! I can use them after all. ) The pants will be a kinda of drawstring type (I'll probably still button them.) Kinda of gathered into a waistband. Length will be past the knee about mid - lower calf? Will the leg closure tie or button? Thanks! Would be spectacular to say the least! Would you make it from wool? Mickey Flint First Mate o' the Harbinger Me Website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Would be spectacular to say the least! Would you make it from wool? I'm not sure what Aminjiria will make his out of, but to me it looks like a leather buff coat as worn by many armies of the mid-17th century (which would very much still be in use by the time 1668 rolled around). I was thinking of going the more 1650-166o military look as well, but perhaps basing it on some French images from the time (assuming I can find any in a reasonable amount of time), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 (edited) I agree with M. Souris... most likely buff leather... now Jack perhaps ye should consider a proper pair of petticoat breeches... sorry hard to see em in the second picture Edited December 13, 2008 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I wasn't planning on making it out of leather. Just using it as a guide for a pattern. From what I've seen in plates, it seems to be the correct look. Looking for a second opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I saw those but I was thinking about trying for more a buccaneer/ commoner impression. Very fancy though. I wouldn't want to pull my focus away from the GAoP too much. Besides I'm waiting certain capt'n for patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Aminjiria, I totally think you should go for something like that. Is it just me, or does it look like the French soldiers depicted in this block print dated to the 1650s are wearing Justacorps? And this is just a neat looking pic from 1667 that I thought I would post as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 (edited) Cool, glad to here something like that would work. What about what I was asking about the pants? And Yes a first glance it does look like that. Edited December 13, 2008 by Amanjiria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You i wonder if my wig would work also? With a hat like missions? Do the coffee can trick that Patrick's done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Aminjiria, I totally think you should go for something like that.Is it just me, or does it look like the French soldiers depicted in this block print dated to the 1650s are wearing Justacorps? Hmmmm without my glasses, which are still packed.. I would almost say not a long justacorps but short doublet/jacket with long, opened knee breeches... like minus the froo-froo "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I've always fancied this illustration of Henry Morgan meself. - Hurricane -- Hurricane ______________________________________________________________________ http://piratesofthecoast.com/images/pyracy-logo1.jpg Captain of The Pyrates of the Coast Author of "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Year Before the Mast" (Published in Fall 2011) Scurrilous Rogue Stirrer of Pots Fomenter of Mutiny Bon Vivant & Roustabout Part-time Carnival Barker Certified Ex-Wife Collector Experienced Drinking Companion "I was screwed. I readied my confession and the sobbing pleas not to tell my wife. But as I turned, no one was in the bed. The room was empty. The naked girl was gone, like magic." "Memoirs of a Buccaneer: 30 Years Before the Mast" - Amazon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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