Jib Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Great coat or frock coat, the name isn't important as we all know what they look like. My question is "Did they have functional pockets or just adornment to make it looks as if they had exterior pockets?" Also, "Did they have small interior pockets or is that a modern convention"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Inside pockets are a modern convention (as far as I know)... As for the outside pockets, from what I have read, there were both false or decorative pockets, and real functional pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callenish gunner Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 i have seen period examples of frock coats with inside pockets that have been part of the national parks service archives at valley forge. when i lived in the area for 20 some years one of my best friends was the clothing curator and archivist for the park service. she showed me many of the pieces in the collection and she was actually the one who sewed my first kit in 1976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jib Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 I often wondered if some of the outer pockets on a coat were indeed false! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Maggie Smythe Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I love to research this kind of question...from what I could find, some pockets were functional and some just decoration. "Frock" coats were actually worn more in the early 1800's and formal. I did find a interesting site that shows some good pics of the coats I think you were talking about... http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/Justaucorps.htm Twisted Maggie Smythe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 i have seen period examples of frock coats with inside pockets that have been part of the national parks service archives at valley forge. when i lived in the area for 20 some years one of my best friends was the clothing curator and archivist for the park service. she showed me many of the pieces in the collection and she was actually the one who sewed my first kit in 1976 Aye but were these pieces from the GAoP? By Rev War there were interior pockets, chiefly in the skirts..and some waistcoat pockets were false... but so far I haven't come across interiors ... for GAoP... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I often wondered if some of the outer pockets on a coat were indeed false! Frock Coat Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - –noun a man's close-fitting, knee-length coat, single-breasted or double-breasted and with a vent in the back. [Origin: 1735–45] Justacorps Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - just·au·corps /ˈʒustəˌkɔr, -ˌkoʊr; Fr. ʒüstoʊˈkɔr/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[zhoo-stuh-kawr, -kohr; Fr. zhyst-oh-kawr] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -corps /-ˌkɔr, -ˌkoʊr; Fr. -ˈkɔr/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[-kawr, -kohr; Fr. -kawr] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. a fitted, knee-length coat, characterized by wide turned-back cuffs and stiff flared skirts, worn esp. by men in the 17th and 18th centuries. Also called justicoat. [Origin: 1650–60; < F juste au corps fitting to the body] Either way we are talking about a long coat with skirts to the knees and NOTE the origin dates of the words.. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Great coat or frock coat, the name isn't important Not quite true as a frock coat would be more of the coat where the Great Coat did serve the purpose of an overcoat. "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jib Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Friends I did mean a Justacorps. Forgive me for the improper term. So pockets or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyBarbossa Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Sterling has a point there. From the one image I had, the pockets were way different than the images of the late 18t c coats. Even the waistcoats. Or even the breeches. ~Lady B Tempt Fate! an' toss 't all t' Hell!" "I'm completely innocent of whatever crime I've committed." The one, the only,... the infamous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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