Uniform colors?

[Korisios]

If I look at all to groups that do 1700ish soldier reenacment, all uniforms do look very much allike in terms of pattern, so I begin to take it very plausible that one could use the patterns pretty much for every Europian 1700 soldier from around the the world.

I especialy like this revealing drawing:

it shows where all the lining and even some extra padding and stiffeners are going to be...

[Capt. Sterling]

That would be the interior tailoring from Cut of men's clothes... actually if you flip a few pages toward the front of that book, you would find patterns even closer to 1700, including one from 1700 I believe...skirts are tad less full...

[Korisios]

This one?

now am i seing it right, that there are 4 rows of buttons on th skirt??

1 on the front, 1 on the back and 1 for each side??

That's a lot of buttons...

[michaelsbagley]

That is likely the best pattern to start with... But that pattern is for a "Gentlemen's Coat". A rank and file coat would not likely have all of the extra buttons, but since you seem to be leaning towards an "Officer's Coat", yeah I guess you would want to put that many buttons on it.

I'm not sure you will want this advice, but I strongly recommend making a soldier's coat first, and once you complete that, take the lessons you learned making it to make a nicer officer's coat.

[Korisios]

Hm I am taking this as a very good advice and a strong suggestion...

never te less...

Oh by the way you won't belief how many times I allready looked at all the pictures of you and other people on Ivan Henry Pagebook gallery....

You guys there all look stunning and realy authentic!

[Korisios]

Ok I will start with a soldiers coat... and I'm going to make a "Yucatan Pardos Militia coat. wich is white with yellow liner... I have a drawing of a later pattern uniform but i'm just going to transform it to a 1700 pattern... I bought an ofwhite corse linnen and a little finer yellowich faded like linnen for the liner.

I resently redrew the pattern on my computer using a vector based Program (Illustrator), thus allowing me to scale the whole thing up to 1/1... And then I printed it on 28 a4 papers, then stucc them all together "again" and cut the pattern out.

Now I have the pattern for a coat that would suit a man with a verry slim waist and heavy muscled arms...

Hm... that's not me...

So to start with I wil ad a view inches to each 4 parts...

If I look at temporate drawings I see the sleves are indeed made of a lot of fabric so I keep that as it is...

One question

The collored liner inside of the sleevs that's going to be on the outside (makes this sentens sens??? ) and will show, is this supposted to be sewn on top of and therefore be dubbled with the other fabric?...?

for the padding, I will use some offwhite felt I have laying around...

Oh and what buttons can I skip??

(now do we need to stransport this discussion to the sewing room??)

[Korisios]

Some interresting Spanish (Uniform) bits and parts... My link ...

[Grymm]

During a recent trawl of the net I turned up a series of 61 Dutch drill/uniform plates from what looks like the early 18thC.

I would post one up but the board is having a hissy fit and telling me that "You are not allowed to use that image extension on this board." so you don't get to see one =o\ heigh ho.

Shame as I especially like the powder horn buttoned to the coat pocket plus a pal wot knows his guns got terribly exited as they apparently

"...show a developement of the Snaphaunce lock.

The Snaphaunce of course in existence since around 1550, but being of the proper ' Snapping Hen ( Snaphaunce ) style in its early life.

The progression into a Doglock form Snaphaunce in the 17th century and then again

into a more commonly known form of Firelock / Flintlock Snaphaunce lock in the 18th.

Its very, very rare to actually see pictures of the a snaphaunce developement lock...."

[Grymm]

Now I feel I'm being mean not showing you jus' coz the board is sulking, tell y'what I'll just bung up the URL and you can tek a gander if y'wants to.

Part the First

standing still and going bang

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[Grymm]

Part the Second

Putting bangy stuff into the bangy stick pt1

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[Grymm]

Part the Third

Putting bangy stuff into the bangy stick pt2

Squashing said bangy stuff down and standing still

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[Grymm]

Part the Fourth

The waving around of the bangy stick

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[Grymm]

Part the Fifth

Standing still holding bangy stick

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[Grymm]

Part the Sixth

The putting on and taking off of the pokey bit

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[Grymm]

Part the Seventh

Hangers on like shouty chaps with long pokey things, flag wavers and drummists

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[Capt. Sterling]

Ok I will start with a soldiers coat... and I'm going to make a "Yucatan Pardos Militia coat. wich is white with yellow liner... I have a drawing of a later pattern uniform but i'm just going to transform it to a 1700 pattern... I bought an ofwhite corse linnen and a little finer yellowich faded like linnen for the liner.

I resently redrew the pattern on my computer using a vector based Program (Illustrator), thus allowing me to scale the whole thing up to 1/1... And then I printed it on 28 a4 papers, then stucc them all together "again" and cut the pattern out.

Now I have the pattern for a coat that would suit a man with a verry slim waist and heavy muscled arms...

Hm... that's not me...

So to start with I wil ad a view inches to each 4 parts...

If I look at temporate drawings I see the sleves are indeed made of a lot of fabric so I keep that as it is...

One question

The collored liner inside of the sleevs that's going to be on the outside (makes this sentens sens??? ) and will show, is this supposted to be sewn on top of and therefore be dubbled with the other fabric?...?

for the padding, I will use some offwhite felt I have laying around...

Oh and what buttons can I skip??

(now do we need to stransport this discussion to the sewing room??)

First suggestion, which you most likely have considered already but tis worth mentioning... make a mock up out of some cheap fabric that is similar to what the finished linen will be...the last thing you wish to do is experiment with the good fabric and cut it right away...make sure you have a working pattern that fits first....

As to the sleeve...without seeing a picture, one can only assume that the cuff/facing is yellow? Is there a illustration of said coat so one can try and determine how the cuff is cut?

And regarding the felt... what do you mean by felt? As over here, the first time of felt that usually jumps to mind is the kind used in crafts, which I am not too sure would be the best item for the interlining of a coat...I would highly suggest a linen canvas which was often used in coats of the period.

Edited May 24, 2010 by Capt. Sterling

[Capt. Sterling]

dang...stuttering...once again apologies...

But will add here, thanks to Grymm for sharing a cool find. Mind sharing the link where you found them as well?

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[Capt. Sterling]

apologies...double post

[Grymm]

Ooops yeah found them here Memory of the Netherlands after putting 17** in the search box.

I was originally looking for paintings by Troost and after I'd had a mooch at them I got distracted and nosed around, here's the original search results.

http://www.geheugenv...ONB06%22%20%29/

On closer inspection the primer is suspended from the brass belly box and possibly buttoned to the coat pocket button, not sure now.

With my frock I interlined with a course hemp canvas throughout apart from the skirts which I used thin wool batting(sorta stuff quilters use). The extensive interlining makes it bloody heavy and my next (after the other 18thC stuff +another 4centuries of kit are done) will have a different system, still interlined but not the whole damn thing.

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[Korisios]

I am using this pattern for the lokation of the padding on the chest near the shoulders.

This extra padding makes sense to me because that's the location where you ware the sword baldric and oke extra cussioning wmight gif more comfort...?

And by felt I mean real felted wool felt...

The above drawing also locates padding in the skirt part but there just the liner seams more apropriate to me...

[Capt. Sterling]

I am using this pattern for the lokation of the padding on the chest near the shoulders.

This extra padding makes sense to me because that's the location where you ware the sword baldric and oke extra cussioning wmight gif more comfort...?

Not a bad thought, but all that interlining is for proper support/shaping of the garment...the extra padding at the shoulder is because the average body has a tendency to go concave there so the padding is to fill it out and give the body a "better" shape. The interlining helps keep the garment from sagging or as in the shoulder seam helps support some of the stress.

And by felt I mean real felted wool felt...

The above drawing also locates padding in the skirt part but there just the liner seams more apropriate to me...

Check the silhouette of your garment, padding in the skirt also helps to keep it from sagging or just hanging...

[Korisios]

Thanks Cap. Sterling.

Time to change the plans a bit... and to buy some real heavy canvas(?) for the skirt part...

[Capt. Sterling]

Yer welcome, sorry I couldn't be of more help

[Ivan Henry aka Moose]

I am kicking around the idea of working up a 1690-1700 era British Grenadier impression. In my initial research it seems this time period has a lot of loose specifications and a lot of very specific things. I am looking for any help at all. From reference materials you can recommend down to someone who can interpret what I want and expertly make it. I am looking for everything from what clothing, accessories, musket, everything would have been used. Any help is appreciated.

[Slopmaker Cripps]

http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/paintings/1700/blenheim_grenadier_1704.jpg

Not quite within your parameters but close (1704). Then here's a more modern painting that supposedly shows some mid-17th century grenadiers: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8782/jakob30.jpg

Cheers,

Adam C.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Slopmaker Cripps