Tartan Jack

Why??? About as accurate as "Braveheart" (NOT a compliment)

Looking back at my posts here, I realize something . . . NERD I am. Red Maria, Which ship are you thinking. If the size is similar, I might be interested. This one? http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/produc...&cm_ite=Keyword (I wonder if I can JUST get the ship. THAT is ALL I care about.)

We are not talking "hollywood sets," which are "force prespective" in many cases and "4/5 or 3/4 scale versions of "the real thing" to save either space or money. The PROBLEM is the MODELS made in relation to the movie. Star Wars has the same issue. Many of the sets are made to a scaled down version of that used for large angle stuff (less so now with the CGI). So, the toys and collectibles have to decide which to use as their "base." A Star Wars example is the "Imperial Shuttle," which had several versions made. There was a 1/48 scale version used for the side shots and a different proportioned , smaller scaled "set piece" for the lower part exteriors (exit of the Emperor), and a larger scaled cockpit set. Now, the "aftermarket" has noticed the issues the 3 versions created. The TOY is CLOSELY based on the 1/48 model (enough to be a 1/48 model), while the plastic model one is based on something else. http://theforce.net/swtc/lambda.html The Black Pearl has a full scale set, that is PLANNED to be CGI "enhanced" with the full sails and rigging. I am not sure of the dimensional elements or how the various versions compare to one another (one of the experts will have to help us on that one). The "gripe" is that the models (for sale to the public) are supposed to be "accurate" to the film, BUT have the rigging the same as the SET and NOT as it is shown in the film. I would LOVE a fairly accurate large model (even a kit, preferably plastic) that I can mix with my Lionel/O-gauge trains. THAT one LOOKS neat, except for the rigging AND THE PRICE-> OUCH! (Amazon has the same one for $125, still not cheap.)

One MAJOR question I have and was thinking of asking (I just wasn't sure whether to put it here in pop or in plunder. It seems they use the SET ship, rather than the CGI "enhanced" version. I guess it is just the drawings are easy to obtain. Anyone know of plan-drawings for the FULL masted version?

Mermaids in a "Book of Kells" antropomorphic knot style would look VERY striking (and be "cool" too).

Are you thinking about THIS one? http://disneyshopping.go.com/webapp/wcs/st...romSearch=10002

There also is this version: http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/produc...&cm_ite=Keyword Dimensions listed: Black Pearl Ghost Ship measures approximately 24" L x 7" W x 22" H; 70 cm L x 17.8 cm W x 55.9 cm H

I was curious as to what this works out to as a "scale." It looks to be based upon the set drawings, rather than the multi-level sail "full" version. http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Caribbean-Bl...e/dp/B000ICSC00 Provided dimensions: 6.5 x 26.5 x 21.8 inches

OK, what SCALE would THIS one be? http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo...?number=NC30868 Black Pearl wooden model "This astonishing ship measures 22 3/4-inches tall x 13 3/4-inches wide x 27 1/2-inches long." Listed at $149.99 (not sure if worth that)

Oh, the fun of film . . . Where theft becomes "preservation" . . . (Unless you work at Lucas). I often wonder what percentage of props winds up in people's personal possessions. Of course, whatever is not pillaged, usually ends up in landfils . . . (who am I to complain). It is just the "artistic" side of me that is saddened by the destruction of such lovely stuff.

Oh . . . The nature of film. Build it, shoot it, trash it. The set burned in Gone With The Wind (as Atlanta) was the set from another film. (It isn't a new thing)

I seem to recall a reference on a pre-Adm. Vernon mention of "grog" on either this forum or Blackjohn/Foxe's Ye Pirate Brethren. Now, i can't find it (try a search for "grog" on a pirate forum). Anyone one KNOW is such a reference exists? (EVEN if the term meant a rather different drink than the later cut-rum "grog")

Probably the SAME kit. I paid about $40-50 several years ago. As I really don't have much interest in building the Constitution in THAT size, I will be converting it to 1/48 scale. Amazingly, that SAME kit is sold on the linked site for $74.

If they couldn't afferd a full beard for Blackbeard, you know they had nothing to spend for costumes...... Lets see...... Blackbeard is a Scottsman with a scrawny beard, The costumes were borrowed from a Rev. War mini-series.... Maynard is in love with the Evil Govenor's Daughter, Shanghied, Marroned, and finaly "Saves The Day".... Everyone lives happly ever after.... well except Blackbeard, (but you already knew that...) and it was written and produced by Hallmark .... Ignoring all that..... It was still fun to watch The soundtrack itself is an obvious "ape" of PotC, sometimes sounding "AWEFULLY" close (bad pun intended). Several of the scenes and parts of the dialogue are too. Not terrible (except in points mentioned above), not all that good either. Still, $5 (US). So, not bad. I don't regret the $5 spent and 3 hours. (Now, if it had been $20 or 8 hours, it would be different.) I will probably be using it as "background," while doing other stuff.

Update: After watching, it has little to nothing to do with the HISTORIC person of Blackbeard OR the chronology of his life.. Literally, only the NAMES of SOME of the characters are historic. Even then, they are often miss-assigned to who is who in the film. For example, Eden is the GUARDIAN of CHARLOTTE Osmond and governor of NEW PROVIDENCE. The HISTORIC Eden was governor of NORTH CAROLINA and MARY Osmond was BLACKBEARD'S wife in NORTH CAROLINA. I won't even get STARTED on the names of the pirates themselves. I'll just say that the end has Blackbeard dying in an OPEN SEA battle on the QUEEN ANNE'S REVENGE with a ship of EQUAL power (NOT a sloop). I'd say that to compare this to Braveheart's historical accuracy is WRONG. Braveheart at least had the right NAMES for the battles and general sequence of events, even if HORRIBLY wrong. Blackbeard has NOTHING to do with historic events. So, if you TOTALLY ignore the historic names, it really isn't THAT bad. The story is a bit convoluted and cheesy at times. However, on its own narrative and plot, it is OK as a "pirate movie." Parts borrow from PotC, including the soundtrack and certain scenes. My conclusion: For a more "accurate" telling of Blackbeard, I'd say the BBC/National Geographic channel version at LEAST has Charleston, North Carolina, and SLOOPS, even if Bonnet is NO WHERE to be found. (NOW, I NEVER thought I would say THAT! On it's own, however (IF you TOTALLY ignore NAMES and the historic PEOPLE and PLACES), the movie/mini-series isn't half bad. If they HAD NOT given it a "historic" veneer, I'd say it was "good," However, BECAUSE of that veneer, I can't really endorse it in any meaningful sense (as my historic sense demands). So, like Mr. Hand said: Check your "history" sense out at the door and enjoy it on its own account. It is about as "accurate" as PotC, but with more mediocre writers, lower budget, more scattered acting skills/ability (some are GOOD, others are so bad its FUNNY), and a different plot (that has NOTHING to do with Teach or the GAoP).

Well, I got BOTH at my Walmart today. Comments: In the first 8 (EIGHT) minutes of Blackbeard, they have Hornigold as a MATE on BLACKBEARD'S "Queen Anne's Revenge" ship, and a mutinous one at that. So, NOTHING is anything CLOSE to the historical Blackbeard. It seems that "Braveheart" might be MORE accurate (not very close at ALL). SO, cast ALL pretense of historic ties beyond throwing around names. I'll comment again AFTER I have WATCH them both. Also, Angus (a Scotsman) has gained A LOT of weight AND has turned Teach, of BRISTOL, into a Scotsman, brogue and all.

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GREAT looking! I look forward to seeing it in person when I FINALLY get to Beaufort, NC and see that museum.

I am using Revell's PLASTIC 1/96 scale ship. Right now, the hull halves are glued together. The decks are being arranged and rearranged to figure out what: -Is most ACCURATE for the 1715 period -LOOKS best with the re-scaling of the ship -The structure of the model itself allows without drastic reconstruction of the kit parts. Back SEVERAL years ago (probably a decade by now) when I bought the model with this idea in mind, I didn't know enough about tall ships to realize the changes between 1715 and 1815. Now, I have a number of books on that topic. So I am looking at them (and asking A LOT of questions on this and Blackjohn/Foxe's forum) to learn what I need to do to make it plausible. In the end, it won't be 100% period accurate, but will look GREAT with my O-gauge train layout or on shelf/mantle display. As for rigging, it is COMPLETELY up for grabs. I need to figure out what type of arrangement would be used for a 3 master (designed for speed) about 100 feet long in THAT period. I WILL be reducing the number of sails per mast and haven't yet decided/figured out whether to use the stock plastic masts or to make some custom ones from wooded dowels. After the hull is more "together," I promise to post picts.

I am not sure where to put this. I am hoping to be fairly historically accurate, but it really isn't, as it is not based on any one specific ship. So, here is my (initial and basic) background for my model of a "pirate ship." The model has been discussed on the Pub before. (Now: remember the model, itself, is a 1/96th scale USS Constitution that has converted into a 1/48 scale ship. The deck is modified by removal/not putting on model the top deck in front of the rear mast. Accordingly, it also is only using 1/2 the gun-ports on the model and the gun deck is open topped. So, it will only have 26 minions.) The Thistle was originally laid down to be a privateer in Queen Anne's War, but was unfinished at the peace treaty. So, she was bought by an enterprising Scot in Glasgow (or I might make in Greenock) and outfitted as a private high-speed transport. Due to her, relatively, narrow beam, her owner planned to focus upon high-value cargo. However, politics interveened and some back-dealing occurred. The Thistle was converted back into a privateer/warship to be used in the 1715 Jacobite Rebellion, to support the expected French Naval operations in support on Prince Charlie Stuart's bid for the throne. An ambitious and skilled sailor of the infamous sea rover MacNeil clan named John MacNeil, an ardent Jacobite, was hired as the captain. He assembled a crew, largely built from old friends and cronies, a mix of sailors and land warriors due to planned operations and boarding actions. As the failure of the uprising became more and more evident to the captain (John MacNeil) and crew, they turned to the open sea, fearing reprisal against them by George's government. After a few month of the unexpected change in operations, they become low on food and desperate, so they turned "pirate." MacNeil gained the name "Tartan Jack," as he made use of the belted plaids (intended for Jacobites in Scotland) and his own highland clothing, adapting it to sea-use. On land, he was known for wearing belted plaids, or other materials worn as one. Well, that is a roughed out version. What do ya'll think. How may I adapt it to increase historical accuracy?

For accuracy, Kass does a HECK of A LOT of research into getting it RIGHT for a period, inc. not just the general shape BUT THE CORRECT STITCHES for each part of the garment. She examines the REAL thing, to make sure it is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. It is NOT just an impression that looks similar to one in an illustration or portrait. Not all of them can claim the above. The OTHER pattern companies vary in accuracy, sometimes from REALLY good to comical when one looks at different patterns in the same line. I can trust Kass' workmost of the time. Others, I am not sure.

And, from I remember about it, about as accurate.

As I have mentioned before, I am slowly piecing together a GAoP AND 1715/45 Jacobite Highlander Kit. It turns out that, mostly, it is just a slops/belted plaid swap out (unless someone can find me a reference to a pirate WEARING a plaid/kilt). Now, I am wondering about period leather goods. Black is ALWAYS popular in modern recreations of gear, swords, and everything else. It is also EASY to match. BUT, how popular would BLACK have been THEN? What tones of brown and tan are pretty certain? Are the belts/pouches/shoes similar tones? Mixed? -My own thinking is caught in the "matching" mode of today. Is that in practice THEN? It seems belts tended to be small (though, I understand belted plaid belts to have been on the wider side). Any help/advise is appreciated!

Me thought his name be "Marque" (He must be Frenchy). And, WHY he would write you? NO IDEA!!!!!

Isn't it the Confederate Air Force? -A bunch of old warbrds, mostly World War 2 era.