Capt. Sterling

My apologies for hijacking the thread... it will never happen again. As to the evidence Mission, I will bring the binder to PiP. Feel free to look it over there.

Williamsburg/colonial citizens were not the only ones leaving wills during the time frame. And I am not quite sure how vermin/dirty clothes relates to being poorly made clothing... even the rich and noble had vermin...I personally get a kick out of said lard bags worn around the neck, in the hopes of drawing vermin to one particular part of the body instead allowing it to run rampant about one's person. As to coffee houses, they seem to be a place, where in many cases the common man sat and drank alongside the upper class man... in many cases the differences in coffeehouse clientèle seems more to fall along the lines of what was discussed in each coffeehouse as some seemed to cater to poets and some to politicians for instance, rather than purely along class lines. Coffee served in such establishments was not expensive only pennies a dish. One could even purchase wooden tokens to cover the cost in some cases. There were even petitions against coffee raised by women because so many of the men were spending too much time in such places, according to their complaint. To say that just because you eat cereal out of a mug, or drink coffee from a mug doesn't prove either way what they did. Perhaps the middling sort drank their coffee from wooden bowls?

9 out 12... damn blew it on Peter Pan, Keats and Goonies...

I have to agree with you Rumba, the minivans are great. Sorry I am to have traded in the Honda Odyssey for the Dodge Durango. The minivan got far better mileage and held twice the crap.

Being English I shall make my appearance but brief... Welcome to the pub.

And vice versa. Many people have this idea that everyone from the 19th century back were hidebound and non-creative in their approach to things. Why would this be so? Human creativity is actually as common as dirt. Since we're citing, as someone pointed out to me, there is a notion that all antiques are well-made. This arises because the antiques that survive are, in fact, well-made. However, the common articles of a bygone era are cheaply made for every day use and thus do not usually survive. The further back you go, the better made something will generally have to be to survive. However we often assume that the rare, surviving well-made items were common when, in fact, they were not. We don't always know what was common. Most of what we have to record that era comes from the upper classes who had the better made items and could write and pay for portraits and such from which we infer ideas about what is period correct. Cheaply made? Or well made and able to be passed down a number of times before being re worked or completely worn out... as is evidenced in many wills... For example clothing... well made and able to be passed down, taken apart and restitched in more contemporary styles as is evidenced by the old stitching marks/lines... or re-cut to fit children and passed down as hand me downs until they do wear out.... Or the huge number of second hand shops at the times, in which case this speaks to me of well made not cheaply made.... too assume that upper class silks and velvets or presentation pistols inlaid with silver are what everyone carried/owned is a mistake and any one who bases all their research on those items alone is missing a lot that can be learned from wills, court cases, art work, letters, journals, newspapers, etc from the time frame...The Town Criers of London are illustrations based on the working & lower classes, not portraits that were paid for by the upper classes. Granted not everyone who made their own items may have done it well, but to assume everything that no longer exists was cheaply made... labour was cheap, as compared to materials in the 18th century, but doesn't mean everything was cheaply made and only the rich and famous got well made items. And yes, I should have clarified my statement further that the coffee dish seems to be more common Along with the other thread about the leather corsets on the tankards... to have everyone make one because last year at PiP one person had one to cover a flaw in their tankard, and if I recall correctly the flaw was a design that was NOT pc, does not make it common to the time frame and that everyone should buckle down and make a leather corset for their tankard. ...and I have seen a number of piss-poor made antiques in my time.

To coin Kass MaGann's all too true phrase.. Don't make the common rare and the rare common. And just because you may do it now a days doesn't prove folks did it then....

A smaller and less sloped sided version of the coffee dish... Jamestown had one of each, late 17th century...coffee dish, tea cup and wine cup.... the wine cup is about twice the size of a thimble... I will try and get you measurements over the summer

No not mugs, Coffee at this time seems to be pretty much served in what was called a coffee dish, which looks like a bowl, not a mug. I can send you some pictures via regular email... and a link to get some cheap for your ordinary.

Damnation....and I don't wear boots..

I like long festivals...

Sarah Juniper is the better bet... she does brilliant work

Rather figured on that...

Damnation Hurricane, wanted to sit down and discuss the tavern brawl with you at Blackbeards...

Whatcha readin?

* see answer to Mission in the thread The Mercury Crew....

Nope, had the trailer but had to sell it to cover gas....

ACK!!!!!!!!!! Women getting together to plot.... damnation... sounds like trouble brewing....

Averaging about 14 hours drive per event, I am hoping we will switch over to water, quit worrying about one herd of caribou up by the pipeline, or actually start developing those cars that get 80 miles to the gallon... geeze they had the prototype back in the 70s/early 80s already...

Is there any evidence for a pirate crew name-branding their sea totes? While I like getting things as right as I know how to, I think slavish adherence to what we can absolutely prove is sort of silly. (Blasphemy, I know.) And unrealistic. As in statistics, its the silent, uncounted majority that often reveals the true story of the event. I've little doubt that someone, somewhere, during period wrapped their mug in something such as leather to protect their hand from the heat of the coffee (which is period) and liked it. So they kept on doing it and may have endeavored to tie it somehow. It's nigh impossible to prove otherwise. Only problem with that theory is they didn't drink coffee out of mugs...

Hey Lady if ye need help, we'll be there... our women are great at pitching tents while the men watch...

Pretty darn close though... the toes are a bit off but the Jennifer wouldn't be too bad, especially if you can send in your own fabric.

**sniggering** How piratey Dutchie.. they call you a sweetie, and I'm known as the prick.... I'll have to give you some lessons at Blackbeard's....

Why no handles when some had more than one?

Ye do know Silkie came to my rescue.... SILKIE, while the rest of ye just sat there and laughed.... Me: "Help!!!" You all: giggle, giggle, snicker, snicker... "Oh look at the stars!!" Me: "Damnation woman, Let GO of my arm!!! Help!!!"