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Here is a man with an eye-patch and peg-leg in 1811 In this caricature he is flattened by a lady http://collections.r...cts/127997.html and this picture goes with that I have posted this earlier but now it has better quality http://collections.r...cts/143283.html
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A question about Francis Spriggs and Richard Hawkins
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to Swashbuckler 1700's topic in Captain Twill
Ok wiki, but well it is better than often thought http://en.wikipedia.....26_the_Delight Well Low's company, they could (perhaps) have witnessed the actual death of George as well as the fake rumour that was the case here in 1724. Spriggs was active at least as late as 1726 at least Wiki says so and says that the source is Post-Boy of June 25 1726. Wiki also claims that Edward Lowe would have been alive too accordingly to the newspaper.... Ofcource wiki can be wrong. Speaking of Spriggs. I dare to think that a man who committed acts of torture of the most heinous sort would not look anything like imagined portrait of Captain Johnson book (of 1725). There he looks like a lamb-like gentleman with an added pistol and a sword. Back to the earlier points do we know any reason why there was a lie spread that The King would have Died around 1723-24 (or when ever Hawkins was a prisoner)? -
A question about Francis Spriggs and Richard Hawkins
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to Swashbuckler 1700's topic in Captain Twill
Well that seems to make sense. For a moment I thought a dating error in the source but the idea of Low's gang being around as late as 1727 seemed unlikely. It is interesting that the tradition of flying a flag half-mast is that old. Wiki says it dates back to the 17th century. What is also interesting that that Richard Hawking is a namesake of the well know Elizabethan sea dog. And was it the flag of Sprigg's one of the Jolly Rogers with skeleton and red heart... No wait it was... -
Just for fun I was reading a fashionable study of Jacobite pirates (made by none other than Ed Fox) http://www.academia.edu/772352/Jacobitism_and_the_Golden_Age_of_Piracy_1715-1725 And one question popped in my mind. And I think it is a damn good one This was said there "Even if Jacobitism was rife among Low’s men, it was not among all his consorts. Francis Spriggs’ crew parted with Low in one of their prizes after a disagreement over their rules or “articles.” Richard Hawkins, who was captured by Spriggs and spent some days aboard his ship, observed that “whether they were drunk or sober, I never heard them drink any other health than KingGeorge’s.” Hawkins was with the pirates when they heard of the death of George I, at which “they immediately hoisted Jolly Roger half mast, and drank his Royal Highness’s health by the name of George the second.”64 Far from using Jacobitism to “frame-up” the pirates who captured him, it is difficult to imagine any reason for Hawkins to have invented their loyalty to the Hanoverians, so we must conclude that if there was any kind of Jacobite movement in the Lowther/Low “line of descent,” it was not as widespread as continuous as that in the Flying Gang line." Source 64 was "British Journal (London), 8 August 1724." And I ask: How they could have mourned the death of George I in 1724 while King George died in 1727?
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More interesting pictures. Modern photos this time about old artifacts I heard about one late 17th century shipwreck and found a page with info and pictures of the wreck finds A jacket and hat found on a Swedish shipwreck of "Kronan" which sank (because of the admiral's incompetence) in 1676 Sandclasses found and a cabinet for more info about this shipwreck. fortunately for us it has some info in English http://www.kalmarlansmuseum.se/1/1.0.1.0/421/1/
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Not an actual old contemporary 18th century model but this is based certainly in reality. http://amhistory.si..../TR_318281.html And there we have another sloop with oars. I truly wonder how popular it was for a sloop to have oars...
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Peter the Grat's Salor outfit - specifically the hat.
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to IvanHenry's topic in Captain Twill
It seems that Peter had many sailor costumes. at least that outfit with a white jacket, blue breeches and the tan hat and another brown hat and still another suit with a from of smock and breeches http://www.hermitage...AGFILEN&author= This should be that hat so http://www.hermitage...AGFILEN&author= and his other clothes http://www.hermitage...AGFILEN&author= And this is totally different hat. It was my mistake to claim that they were the same so there is two hats not one http://www.hermitage...tsar/images.htm -
From the album: Realistic pirate art
This is a woman pirate with sailor clothing. There were really few women aboard pirate vessels but this image represents one of those few… she might be Bonny or Read. Of course she is based on looks of Anne Bonny and Mary Read. I used period illustration like http://s1.hubimg.com...096276_f496.jpg or http://leogirl1975.f...nread.gif (with needed criticism of course) and also the testimony of one eyewitness was thoroughly exploited. The testimony told “(the two women) wore men's jackets, and long trousers, and handkerchiefs tied about their heads; and that each of them had a machete and pistol in their hands,…” So my female pirate wears this clothing and is armed with naval weaponry of that era. She has typical sailor clothing of the early 1700s though the kerchief, in reality, was not so popular than it is in popular image of the pirates. -
From the album: Realistic pirate art
This is close enough to fit into Pirate art category. He is an English admiral from early decades of the 18th century. He is dressed in fine gentleman gear with fine three-cornered hat with feathers. He has a fine red/violet coat with decorative seam stitches with gold colored cloth. Waistcoat, gentleman’s breeches and sash as well as socks and fine shoes are there too. He has a small- sword but its long blade is not fully visible. Like usually this in heavily based on period evidence. Mostly circa 1703 picture of “English admiral at sea” (http://www.britishmuseum.org/collectionimages/AN00476/AN00476504_001_l.jpg ). That image was made by Dutch artist Caspar Luyken and he made it for his book presenting people’s costumes at the time. Also other gentlemen’s gear and admiral’s and navy captain’s portraits were used too. Like these two: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14222.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14278.html -
I cannot edit this anymore so And I also wonder why is that three masted vessel a 'sloop' while it has oars. Shouldn't it be a galley then?
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Oh I was not saying that they would have been really common but just that there were there among plain and checker/speckled shirts.
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Okay Thanks that was interesting. so it is cannon ammo Oh of course Snelgrave was speaking about cannons not small arm when he said that that kind of shot was fired... I noticed it only now...
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If we trust Foxes study here there were many types of shirts and many with stripes http://forums.pyrate...c.php?f=10&t=19
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I cannot edit this so I clear my last sentence of my last reply I meant to ask "but what "Partridge-Shot"is ?"
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I truly wonder that so many different ships were called sloops in the era. For example these are both sloops at least in old period naval standards http://collections.r...ects/66372.html http://collections.r...ects/66296.html The latter one Was used as a sloop example in Richard Platt's Book "Pirate". Though later than the context where it was presented (mid 18th century sloop presented with early 18th C pirates) I wonder does it actually differ much from the pirate sloops of early 1700s. At least many characteristic are similar.... Idea that is often presented or can be noted between the lines was that the sloops that pirates generally had were one (or two) masted. Why we should think so? Really many sloops are mentioned in sources like in "General History" but not all with fire power or other size indicator(of am I wrong). After all it is a different thing to have a 20 gun sloop with three masts than a six gun sloop with a one mast. So in short I wonder this: we know that many pirates had sloop but do we now how much of their actual size since the term "Sloop" is so devious?
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Many figures like the man behind Lowther, Jean bart, the gunner, the sailor wearing petticoat breeches etc. Have a rather similar style cap with a cloth insides and a gab on the from of the hat. The gallery of fur caps is expanding London vendor 1680s A sailor gunner in 1691 has a similar shaped hat that is likely to be a fur cap Jean Bart in this apparently realistic portrait is wearing similar cloth cap trimmed with fur than some of the earlier figures here
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Occupied with sharp knives no less! There is an earlier woodcut of some Newfoundland fishing types, which has been posted on here somewhere, in which one of them at least is definitely wearing a garment similar to, if not actually, a capote. Knowing the picture I know it is quite similar to this (the third man there has a cloak like that.)
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Again I am stuck with the clothing and without any specific reason and I am still wondering this as a historical issue: I wonder is there any reason not to think that some of the striped garments (like shirts, breeches and waistcoats) used by sailor in Gaop might have some horizontal stripes? There is no doubt about vertically striped clothing (like seen in the shirt in the first picture of this tread, or seen in many pictures of Gaop/ near Gaop seamen with that kind of striped waistcoats). At least we know that in later period Napoleonic sailors had striped clothing with both vertical and horizontal stripes... like here well a kater painting circa 1825 (but only 20 years after the event it's presents) What if the old movie look is not so inaccurate as we might think..... but I am not really saying that the popular image of pirates is correct but just wondering since a long time ago I have doomed that kind of striped shirts as an inaccurate thing
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An interesting note that MR David Rickman made in the book "Pirate: the Golden Age" (Osprey 2011) He noted that often when we see sailor of the age of sail wearing headscarves they are tied on forehead rather than the back (thought some pictures like the first one I have posted here show it tied on the back) He offered this example: Nelson's men celebrating the victory of the Nile in this 1798 cartoon. (see the man on the right with spotted kerchief) And everything can happen I agree with that author this case: I agree about that the headscarves, when used by sailors, were more like a temporary sweat band rather than casual wear. They were also clearly less common than round hats and knitted( or other) caps.
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Well not about black muskets but about the other subject discussed here, so about that what weaponry would be kept aboard merchant ships. Our fried Snelgrave gives a hint about ship weaponry when he is telling about the slave mutinies and how one was repelled, This hints what kind of weaponry was used aboard Slavers of the period "This Mutiny having been plotted amongst all the grown Negroes on board, they run to the forepart of the Ship in a body, and endeavoured to force the Barricado on the Quarter-Deck, not regarding the Musquets or Half Pikes, that were presented to their Breasts by the white Men, through the Loop-holes. So that at last the chief Mate was obliged to order one of the Quarter-deck Guns laden with Partridge-Shot, to be fired amongst them; which Occasioned a terrible Destruction: For there were near eighty Negroes kill'd and drowned, many jumping overboard when the Gun was fired." From William Snelgrave, A New Account of Some Parts of Guinea, and the Slave Trade.London, 1734, pp. 162-91. Muskets and half-pikes. So rather common naval weaponry But "Partridge-Shot" means by the way.
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A port of amserdam circa 1705 http://collections.r...ects/12417.html Ship are nice and so are the figures. Looking sailor I see a nice variation of clothing and such. Still it is bad that most of the proper period pictures are from Holland and only so few from Britain.... But at least we can see a lot of Dutch stuff. The man (middle) with a red sash and tan jacket is like straight from this pictures. And some other stuff An admiral circa 1725 http://collections.r...ects/14311.html
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The battle of Cape Passaro 1718 (painting early 18th century) (there is some flags of Spain) http://collections.r...ects/11842.html
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Interesting. I am wondering this just for fun. BTW do you know which one of those were most common designs?
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We know that period ships had cats and dogs (for killing vermin and perhaps for company) but do we have any records of pirate ships having any? Forget the buccaneer's hunter dogs now but what about ship's dogs? And because of my love of pictures: A ship's cat there. Nothing special really Two dogs. The one with the periwig (Hogarth's satire) might be just captain's pet but the other might be a ship's dog (see how it is waiting to get food that is soon served).
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And Still Yet Another Decemberists... Happy Birthday Foxe!
Swashbuckler 1700 replied to Jas. Hook's topic in Scuttlebutt
Happy Birthday!