René la Gaffe

Hey lilly ill take sunday ice at 1000 though i have no partner in the deed....yet

I must say sir, some very fine work indeed! You may well have some of my funds before the end...i look forward to seeing more of your work in the future!

oh...i sort of forgot to say, that this project has nothing to do with pyracy....but there isnt really an active 17th century site to discuss this in(that i yet know if).....i was really going for a militia unit impression....so thankfully i wont really be worried about its use on a ship........i think ill take both your advise and make a soldiers coat and a sleeveless buffcoat for armor over it...so far iv seen accounts of musketeers wearing the like....i should look for the exact quote....yup...thanks gents(and ill make it of thick leather just to be sure!)

Funny enough, though i wrote puritan style....i didnt even think of the religios group LOL iv just heard that described as puritan in style(though with gregs description i wonder why?) I think i may like the sack coat idea. iv been trying to find a good view of something called a buff coat, i think they might be similar, though the buff coats seem to be in leather........and they seem to have become quite fashionable in their day. Well i would hate to fall into an inaccurate trend, i didnt think about how long it would take for clothes to wear down(after all iv had some clothes for yyeeaarrss lol) I do actually agree with you mike, if people are wearing themm everyday i dont think theyd last long......and apparently that second hand trade was so well practiced you wouldnt need to. Buuut i have heard often of home made clothing items being abit behind the times....but not too far really................ Thanks for the link Hawkyns, very helpful once more!..................and remember, never feel like ill be offended, if it looks like im falling into a bad trend of warping time.....call me on it! Thanks gentelmen! Also....sense this is drifting off from the main topic, due to me, would it be better if i made a new topic???

Rene, you are looking at the Restoration Period. Drastically different from the doublet in the first post. After the end of the Commonwealth period in England, and the recovery after the 30 Years War in Europe, clothing became very elaborate. Pretty much a celebration that they no longer needed to be worries about everything. Large amounts of fabric, lace and ribbon everywhere. The doublets were longer and less fitted, much more in line with what would become the 18th century style after the early extravagance wore off. Here is a basic primer:

http://www.cwu.edu/~...restoration.htm

Hawkyns

In my little head i was hoping for the puritan style clothing of earlier in the century....the really fancy stuff actually scares me.......like a picture of petticoat breeches i once saw(so that would be a noooooo Captain Sterling!) Thanks alot Hawkyns, great resource, though i believe i shall research how poorer people handled all this extravagance......i doubt somehow i could afford too much fabric....i also believe a trip to colonial williamsburgs book store is in order! Whats you guys opinion in the notion that you wouldnt exactly wear whats in fashion if you grew up earlier? lets say i was born in the 1620s and came of age wearing puritain style garb...is it reasonable that id sort of keep a bit of that old style? good lord o think im going off topic......mabey....

I aiming about 1660s-80s. Civilian....im begining research on a kit for Searle's Raid(1668 but im sur eyou knew that lol), as well as later buccaneer era, im looking to get more involved in 17th century events(what few of them there are). Im not entirly sure exactly what im aiming for, because im just starting research, but i dont want to go for anything too speciall at all...after all its more fun to be poor!

It's called a doublet. They existed in simlar form from about the last quarter of the 16th century to the middle of the 17th. Minor differences in size and shape of the peplum or replacing it with multiple small tabs, but basically the same shape. From the evident puckering at the closure, I would say it is closed with hooks and eyes, fairly common for the period. It could also be closed with multiple small buttons and inch or so apart, or even, for some of the lower classes, tape strings. The style is pretty much the same for most of northwest Europe over the period.

http://www.lepg.org/men.htm

Hawkyns

I find it very lucky that this subject crops up as i begin doing 17th century research. I quit eliterally JUST started looking for a link on mens 17th century clothes, THANKS HAWKYNS! i dare ask if you have any other helpful links on the subject........?

LOLOLOL well im glad im not quite so crazy...and your not so scary...yyyaaayyyyy.........i swear i was thinking, "wow she looks ENTIRELY different", and it turns out.....well you know lol <3

As for clothing..........I have to agree with Mr. Roberts and Lady Brower, i dont care about the shape of seems because i want to argue with someone later about it, or use it to down someone elses kit. It honestly matters to me! This is a very self-fulfilling hobby. Most of us do it to make ourselves happy.......and if trying to be accurate is what you want, then go for it........trying for accuracy is something that keeps it interesting, now yyessss theres no way to be entirely accurate, no matter how much research you do. we all make educated guesses(though some more educated then others admittedly) For example, jamestowne settlement here in virginia, isnt so sure now that the settlers flag ship was actually named the Susan Constant (instead it could have been the Sarah Constant), does that mean that they were horribly wrong and were bad researchers, no...they just made their best guess with what they had at the time...which is what patrick did, thus i think you CANand should indeed post in twill . All we have are educated guesses, as long as you use what facts you have, and logic to meet your goals. If i ask its because i want to know how you got there so as to improve my self, or spark new ideas.

As for getting more immersed with the hobby, i vote thats its a grreaattt idea, but not practical for all. Though many would want the skills associated with their persona, they dont always have the greatest means. For me i have tall ships to work on, and quite a few historic sites to interpret at, which helps ALOOOT, but unfortunately many others dont have those options...or simply dont want to...after all...for some this is just a weekend hobby.......

Over all i like twill, because i know that if a topic is there it generally is a serious question, and whether a topic has as much period evedence as another or not, i generally will learn something that will help me make my own interpretation of "what is right" and while everyone has their own opinion....a rev war waistcoat at a 1720 or earlier event is just.....bad....there a certain things that we are pretty sure of.........now if your still working on you kit, be sure to say that......dont stop at the 1780 weskit and dropfronts......sorry for that rant, BUT man that really annoys me.....Cheers mates!

P.S. Thanks for the wooden shoes link..QUITE interesting!

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad grace got those posts out........a whole day of chipping away at them..........lets hope it doesnt happen again!(though i t will) see ya this weekend dutch, and give me a call when you get the chance!

Looks qquiitee fairy like m'lady, well done! Though i must say iv never seen yee out of period clothes and i find it frightening.......lol (i mean that in the best of ways my dear)

Happy natal day mate!

Happy natal day my dearest! Many happy returns!! Im sure your husband has something special planned, he seems good at these things...darn romantic canadians.....

i can actually be free that weekend........for bussiness...yyeessss ........i vote for this endeavor.....

*bows in reverence.........You win good sir, i though my dorset crusade was remotely troubling but you put me to true sshhaammmeee.........god save us....we are mad men........Speaking of dirtyness, i jjuusst finished my first trousers and as they lay behind me, i am proud of some really ugly stains.....joy

Well trhat looks like it was quite fun, i wish i could have been there *sadness.....i still have to get used to Dutch looking clean.....its creepy.......

Though i hate to join in on this argument that shouldnt even be happening..........bbuutt as i recall our own half moon marauders do 18th century interpretation, as do the sea rats. BOTH(as far as the pictures show) seem to have made an effort to seem a bit more 17th century in attire. Now im not sure how many events some of you go to, bbutt not so many of them take place in the 1720s...SSOOOOO i have to adapt to fit into other time periods.....it would be nice to just stay in the time that i started in, but that would mean never wearing gear that iv slaved over...now im not saying i would wear an early 18th century waistcoat at a rev war event, bbuutt i will use as much of my kit as was still in use..........and further more, as someone who has helped plan events....you tend to be greatful to anyone who will come and help you out for free, lets not forget that none of us get paid(usually) for what we do...ssooooooo would you rather have 3 or 20 some people, not saying you should sacrifice accuracy..BUT i think this wasnt too far a stretch. Just my two cents........

If he would like, I'll do the Sunday Trash run with Renè.

well i surly can not say no to such a fine offer! We shall smell terrible im sure......very accurate.........we must try not to accidentally take some people we know.........

ill take the sunday 0900 trash run, though i dont yet have a partner to run it with, ones better than nothing. ill help with something else as soon as a get a better hold on when im actually gonna get there........hhuummmmm i believe i count with the mercury crew..........

i agree with callenish, the best thing i ever did for my shoes was to wear them through a thunderstorm and its aftermath.....get them good and soaked, then wear them till they are dry(or close to it)

https://pyracy.com/in...showtopic=14814

Here Rene is some items in Twill...haven't reread the thread so I don't know if Cheeks posted the documentation, but after Marcus Hook, I can add a list here on some of the items we have been reading regarding mourning/funeral customs for the time frame...

Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea: Merchant Seamen, Pirates and the Anglo-American Maritime World, 1700 - 1750

by Marcus Rediker

Has a few interesting things on mourning practices of sailors but nothing on mourning clothes...

Thank you very much captain, but i wasnt just asking about mourning clothes, just clothes in general, im trying to learn more on the subject(of all people on the early 18th century)...i did come across this site, so far i have not found anything that contradicts it, but then again, i mostly seem to come across articles on late 18th century clothes...sadness Thank you as always, i shall have to buy that book, its been mentioned wwaayyy to many times.......It just occured to me and interesting thing that would justify my coat, i was just reading on how expensive it was for people of lesser means to buy black clothing for mourning, well was it uncommon to find second hand mourning clothes i wonder? That could lead into an interesting explanation of mourning, when asked why i have a black coat................wow that may have worked out quite wonderfully!

How it going Rene? ( I don't know how to get the little thing above the e. )Whadda come up with?

lol while this thread was going on, and i was making up my mind, i started sewing a weskit, im gonna do the black coat/jacket after im done with it and all of its dorset buttons(not too many left to do YYAAAYYYY) and if it makes you feel better, i cant get it either, i just cut and paste from other places....lolololol....adieu mon ami.....

I just witnessed my office manager approving and signing off of my vacation request... Much sooner than anticipated... And that means Kate and myself are in for sure. This will also mean that Mark and Jennie G will be likely joining us, and a good chance of Trish and Shannon as well. I will be talking with all of these folks this coming weekend and get a better feel for the likelyhood of each of them coming.

HUZZAAHHH! HUZZAAHHH! HUZZZAAAHHH!!! vveerryy glad to hear it my friend.......edits are fun lol

i think id like to try this....as a good way to get an extra pair.....mmuuuuhahahahahaha mmmuuuuhahahah *cough anyone have links on this?(im gonna look my self but i find that some of you know better lol)

I will also have a bit of clothing to lend, as it is i have two outfitts to loan out, while im wearing the other(including stockings, hats, neckwear etc.) and ill have more then, the only things i dont have more of are sho......oh, nvmd i forgot i do have an extra pair, size 11, though they are modified and not 100% accurate(but that look the part qquiitee a bit). I also have extra bags and a few things.....good lord i didnt realize how much stuff i had brought/made.....its a shame......if anyone need stuff they are welcome to it!