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1710 Sleeved Waistcoat


Jack Roberts

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So I had the oppurtunity to visit the V&A museum yesterday and had a blast. Unfortunately there wasn't a lot of stuff on display from our time period but I was able to find a few things here and there. One of the objects I found was this 1710 waistcoat.

Here is what V&A had to say about it.

"WAISTCOAT

1710 - 1720

A gentleman wore such a waistcoat informally during the

day, with a plain coat and breeches. The coat would have

been left ope to display the fashionably patterned silk

with the waistcoat buttoned at the waist to show of is and ruffles.

SIlk Damask, lined with fustain and silk

Made in England

So here it is. Sorry its hard to get a full shot in front of the glass.

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The back

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More too come next!

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Some interesting things I observed that I will point out.

The neck line is bound. Bound with a really narrow piece of fabric. Wow.

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It also looks that every seam is stitched visibly.

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Hope that makes sense.

Also I've seen the the bottom of the sleeves are not attached. Perhaps for ventilation? (You can refer to the above photo also)

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Let me also point out the pockets. They have these "tack" stitches. Very interesting.

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So that what I saw on that piece. Here is a link to the photos for the Waistcoat should you want to peruse them yourself.

1710 Waistcoat Album

Now lets discuss.

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Geeze did you get the info along with the sword?? And love the tacking stitches on the pockets... always wondered about that...

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I left the underside of my silk waistcoat sleeves unstitched, I wonder if the unsewn bit is for ease of movement perhaps... I have heard of this, but tis nice to see an original ....


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ECU%20sleeve%20Attechment.jpg

Hope that makes sense.

Also I've seen the the bottom of the sleeves are not attached. Perhaps for ventilation? (You can refer to the above photo also)

Um the greyish blue fabric is that lining?? or the dress dummy?


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Yeah, what kind of Quartermaster you take me for? :rolleyes:

A very good one....

ahem... I hope.... <_<


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ye are good, remind me to cut ye in for another share... Thanks Jack...these are grand.


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Flat felled, you can usually see both up close... this almost looks as if the fabric is just folded over and stitched down on top... I think I have an idea of what that is... I can show you an example at Blackbeards or if I have time I can photo an example... but it will be awhile before I can do so

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Oh remaining buttonholes after the last one fastened on the bottom... look to be false, are they?


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Oi, were there no buttons on the sleeves down at the wrist?


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Oh remaining buttonholes after the last one fastened on the bottom... look to be false, are they?

Yes they were uncut.

Oi, were there no buttons on the sleeves down at the wrist?

There were. Look here buy the sword. 3 buttons of the same kind from the front.

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Sorry didn't think to get a clear shot of those.

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Did the stitching look something like this...

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Oh remaining buttonholes after the last one fastened on the bottom... look to be false, are they?

Yes they were uncut.

Oi, were there no buttons on the sleeves down at the wrist?

There were. Look here buy the sword. 3 buttons of the same kind from the front.

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Sorry didn't think to get a clear shot of those.

GREAT! Thanks again... sorry must have been blinded by the sword, missed the buttons completely until you...pointed em out.


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Aye it did from what I recall.

Cool... I know what to do then...that's my old brown waistcoat... I can show you this stitch...

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Thanks again Jack...great work! I'll keep ye! :D


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Ooooo.. :::Drools::::

Fabulous! Thank ye, Roberts. :D

Fabulous piece. Does inspire ye.

What kinda stitch is that? A back stitch or a running stitch Or is that some other sort of stitch that I'm completely unaware of?

~Lady B

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Let me also point out the pockets. They have these "tack" stitches. Very interesting.

Thank you so much, Jack! I was distraught over the wear on my riding habit pockets, even after repair (they see a fair bit of use). This should help save them.

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Oooh, shiny!

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Ooooo.. :::Drools::::

Fabulous! Thank ye, Roberts. :D

Fabulous piece. Does inspire ye.

What kinda stitch is that? A back stitch or a running stitch Or is that some other sort of stitch that I'm completely unaware of?

~Lady B

I'm pretty sure it's a type of flatfelled seam. The stitch is probably a running on most of the seams. (I'm sure were the sleeves connect are back stitched for reinforcement. The edges along the outside look to be prick stitched like they should.) I'm just not sure how to construct it. Although I do have an idea.

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