RIPP Tar Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Here is a question. Are suspenders period? And if so how would they have been put together? Wiki, http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Suspenders says that they have been around for 300 years. The reason I ask as you can probably guess my draws constantly falling down…. Its not pretty. Any Ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I haven't seen any period descriptions or depictions of them I would think there not period but what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silas thatcher Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 i am sure that this problem has been around for centuries... i am , of course, no help in suggesting a pc solution, just that there must have been some kind of solution at the time... i sometimes have the same problem --- slim but ho hips, and suffer from a condition commonly known as "noassatall".... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsbagley Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 It really depends on what "period" you are talking about? The easy assumption is GAoP (roughly 1680 to 1720 +/- 10 or 20 years depending on who you ask), and for that period, I like Mr. Roberts, have seen no evidence of suspenders. I do think they appear later in the 18th century, perhaps around the time of the revolution (?)... I really haven't looked into later period clothing so when exactly suspenders do come in is a mystery to me... However by the War of 1812 (the next period down the time line I have done some research on), they are in usage. So by reasonable deduction, they came into usage some time in the 80 years (give or take) between the GAoP and the War of 1812... It doesn't nail it down, but it does narrow the search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Roberts Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Yeah true depends on the period. I just assumed we meant GAoP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartermaster James Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I've asked about this myself. As I recollect from those previous discussions: It depends upon whom you are portraying. Prior to the 1800's, they would be most common with Germanic people. Outside of those cultures though, they were not popular, and were mostly a badge of ill-fitting clothes. When they appear in illustrations, it is often on the very poor, and they appear as a rope or strap over one shoulder. Certainly not the braces associated with finer clothing in later years! That said, modern waistlines being what they are, many reenactors wear them: you can't see them under a waistcoat! If, however, your stomach is not bigger than your waist, proper tailoring will keep your breeches up! Again, the above are recollections from discussion; I do not have primary sources at hand to cite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lance Deville Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Me be wearin' suspenders under me waistcoat, since they cant be seen thar be no worrys about pc. Sometimes ye just have ta' compromise if ye wants ta' keep yer breeches up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartermaster James Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 And sometimes you need to compromise if you want to let them down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPP Tar Posted August 26, 2009 Author Share Posted August 26, 2009 I've asked about this myself. As I recollect from those previous discussions: It depends upon whom you are portraying. Prior to the 1800's, they would be most common with Germanic people. Outside of those cultures though, they were not popular, and were mostly a badge of ill-fitting clothes. When they appear in illustrations, it is often on the very poor, and they appear as a rope or strap over one shoulder. Certainly not the braces associated with finer clothing in later years! That said, modern waistlines being what they are, many reenactors wear them: you can't see them under a waistcoat! If, however, your stomach is not bigger than your waist, proper tailoring will keep your breeches up! Again, the above are recollections from discussion; I do not have primary sources at hand to cite. I never did think of rope. I think I might try that thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartermaster James Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I never did think of rope. I think I might try that thank you. You are most welcome, and, just to further clarify: those other discussions I mention weren't on this board but over at Frontier Folk, which focuses on American Colonial period reenacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Can't say I have come across them as of yet either..at least not in English, French or the colonies, but if yer breeches/trousers staying up is a problem, get yerself a waist carriage fer yer sword... trust me, that will keep everything properly in place instead of a shoulder baldric.. Edited August 27, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Also, if this helps... do yer pants have the gusset in the back of the waistband? If not you might want to put one in..the waistband needs to be in two parts with an opening in the back (along with the top of the back seam left open for about 2-3") and laced to adjust to your size..that alone makes a big difference... Edited August 27, 2009 by Capt. Sterling "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 And wot if ye wanna wear suspenders under yer slops or breaches ter keep yer socks up....... <sorry.... I've been reading the Brass Goggles Forum too much, and wot we call suspenders, are called braces over seas.... and suspenders are wot we would call a garter belt.....> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 <sorry.... I've been reading the Brass Goggles Forum too much, and wot we call suspenders, are called braces over seas.... and suspenders are wot we would call a garter belt.....> Don't apologize Patrick, yer absolutely correct... even in the US we called suspenders braces up until the 20th century I believe..garter belts were called suspender belts at one time as well "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartermaster James Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well now, if'n we're going to get all technicallike about it, I was learned that: 1) the cloth or leather straps that attach with buttons are braces, 2) the elastic straps with clips are suspenders. These definitions, however, may be from a time altogether different than any previously discussed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Interesting... never heard it put that way... growing up suspenders was the American term for braces, either buttons or clips, whether elastic, silk or whatever material the strap was made up of... but then doesn't really help for the GAoP... still say put a gusset in the back of your trousers and see if that helps... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Sterling Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well the suspenders thread has become very interesting... seems Albert Thurston (James Bond fame) first made and sold braces in England in 1820... there is also a roll for them that fought at Trafalgar and a possible ancestor may have served on the Leviathan as a pte in the Royal Marines... won't my brother be thrilled. Wonder how accurate that is... "I being shot through the left cheek, the bullet striking away great part of my upper jaw, and several teeth which dropt down the deck where I fell... I was forced to write what I would say to prevent the loss of blood, and because of the pain I suffered by speaking."~ Woodes Rogers Crewe of the Archangel http://jcsterlingcptarchang.wix.com/creweofthearchangel# http://creweofthearchangel.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Jack Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 sorry.... I've been reading the Brass Goggles Forum too much Possible? That's akin to reading this forum too much. Ah, well. I also support the idea of tailoring - if your britches are too broad, shift your buttons until the gusseting in the rear can be tightened to your best fit. If you then put on some small weight, you can loosen, re-tightening when you lose it again. Bear in mind that any button shifting needs to include the buttons on the fly as well - whether drop-front or French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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