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Pyracy Pub Book Group

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If it's ok with everyone I'd like to get the ball rolling on this with two books which should be easily available (if they're not on your shelves already).

My suggestion is that anyone who fancies gets hold of a copy of each of these books then in a month or so we discuss and compare the two. Shall we say around the 15th of October?

Hopefully we'll all learn stuff and we'll be able (as time goes on) to weed out books which turn out to be rubbish.

I suggest breaking in gently with:

Under the Black Flag, by David Cordingly.

And Pirates: Blood and Thunder on the High Seas, by Nigel Cawthorne.

Anyone up for this?

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Perfect I was just eyeing Under the Black Flag, this just gives me a good reason to pick it up, ill grab a copy tonight on my way home.

And I will look for the other book also if I have to I will order it.

(Edit added last bit)

Yes I am up for the read and discussion of both books so count me in.

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Count me in!

Greg

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I'd like to join as well. I just finished Under the Black Flag, (again.) Now I have homework.

;)

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Well I am a reader and you have given me enough time to read them both. Even with my schedual. So I am in.

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Agreed. I just checked out a copy from the library.

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Y'know, I've seen a million copies of the Cawthorne about the place but never bought it. Now I want a copy can I find one?! Even my library couldn't find a copy through I.L.L. They offered to buy one for me to borrow, but it just seemed easier to Amazon it.

Right, let's get reading! :lol:

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Question regarding the second book is this the same title? "A History of Pirates: Blood and Thunder on the High Seas, by Nigel Cawthorne" >>>CLICK<<<

Just checking picked up "Under the Black Flag" and didnt want to get the wrong one for the second.

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I'm in! I may even break out my nice first edition hardback Under The Black Flag! You should see my paperback copy...all dog eared, page marked and full of highlighter, lol.

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Good Lord! You guys almost make me want to learn to read! :lol:

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Nah... Foxe is MUCH prettier! :lol:

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Are you ladies going to read or just make witty comments? :lol: ... now...just to find a copy of the second book... and the time...

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I can't speak for Rue, but I'm just going to make witty comments! :lol::lol:

[Just kidding, kids. Once the book discussion begins, as moderator, I will do my job and keep the witty banter to a minimum. I'm just going to make fun of Foxe now while I still can! :huh: ]

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Tora, yes that's the same book.

Kass... you're a meanie.

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I just started re-reading "Under the black flag".... lots of parts that I missed first time around.....

I haven't heard of the second book....but I'm still looking for Jhonsons "General History........" first.....

OK... not typing well tonight..... maybe off to bed.... well after just one more....... :lol: so much for academic typin'

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Kass... you're a meanie.

What?! For saying you're prettier than Oprah! :lol:

Well! That's the last time I let you off your leash... :lol:

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Well I guess I'm in, I read this thread Wednesday and thought it would be fun but wasn't sure if I wanted to do the homework. But then I got home that night and my wife gave me a couple of anniversary presents one of which was Under the Black Flag! How cool is that!

Now if I can just get her to dress like a pirate wench for Halloween.... :ph34r:

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Hmmmm ...time to read ...novel idea. :ph34r:

Hmmmm... Wonder if I can do here what I use to do in English Lit 101 in college. Just listen and participate in to the discussion on the book and then get an A on the paper. :ph34r:

Oh. No paper. Well, I guess not reading defeats the purpose of this exercise.

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I'll have te catch up and read Under The Black Flag.

I had just started reading two years before the mast online only to discover my dad had a copy on the shelf! I should have known. I wish he was still here, his shelves are a veritable library of everything nautical. He was an avid reader, boat captain and fisherman. Plus he made a mean Tom Collins! I'll have to make a list :lol:

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So I ordered Cawthorne's book 2 weeks ago and have yet to see it ........ B)

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Somewhere in a previous thread I posted a review I wrote of UTBF for a history class taught by a VERY particular professor, (the format is specifically for publishing history reviews... 750 words + or - 10% and fully footnoted) I'll see if I can provide a link to wherever the heck it was. (Footnotes indicated but not specified to prevent plagerisim... plaugerism... plageratizim... um... piracy.)

...and I hope this will do just that...

http://pyracy.com/forums/index.php?showtop...15entry145721

(um... if there's an easier way to link to a specific post, somebody feel free to clue me in... :rolleyes: )

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So, anyone read these? Any thoughts on them?

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I've been reading "Under The Black Flag" slowly for a couple of weeks now and I have something to contribute to this discussion.

Overall, I like Cordingly's writing style. It's very conversational and for this reason I find it an easy read. I think it's a great book to give someone as their intro to the history and people of the Golden Age of Piracy.

But oh my God! Cordingly's organisation of subject matter makes me insane! Take for instance Chapter 5: Storms, Shipwrecks and Life at Sea. He starts out talking about the wreck of the Wyddah. Then he talks about some storms in the Carribean. Then he talks about charts and the primitive state of navigation and why no one could figure longitude accurately. Then he talks about Dampier! He goes on about Dampier for a good long time, mentioning neither storms nor shipwrecks and very little life at sea. Then he's back to charts and navigation again. Then he talks about common stomping grounds for pirates and why they were popular with them. Then he finally does a bit on life aboard ship, drinking and gambling, and the importance of musicians on ship. ? Then he starts on the democratic nature of pirate crews and the pirate "code".

Thank God the man footnotes all his pronouncements and his bibliography is extensive. And thank God for the index or I wouldn't be able to remember what chapter I read things of import!

What I'm trying to say is that it's a really good read, and he documents his statements well. But his "stream of consciousness" style wears on me (which is probably why it's taking me two weeks to read the first 100 pages!). I just start to get interested in a subject he's talking about, and then suddenly we're talking about the taste of turtle fat or how the people hired as local pilots were often bullshitters...

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