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Then you should be able to upload them to the gallery. Follow that link and play around with it some. It's gotten much easier to use. (I DO wish you could batch upload images, though.)

Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?"

John: "I don't know."

Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."

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Yeah, the best way is really to put them on a photo upload site and link to them using the picture function, but that is more complex than putting them here and not everyone has the same level of computer skills.

Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?"

John: "I don't know."

Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."

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A bit later than gaop but it shows us sailors in mid 1700s. With easily recognizable small hats and petticoat breeches.

http://jcb.lunaimagi...2~2&mi=2&trs=31

I am not sure have i posted this before but

http://jcb.lunaimagi...2~2&mi=6&trs=31

and with this picture I have nothing to comment about

Later than gaop but again English sailor. He is on the left

http://jcb.lunaimagi...~2&mi=17&trs=31

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that's it stir the pot,

along with a falling band, cuffs and what looks to be slashed doublet... obviously a depiction of someone from a time when bucket boots were popular...or the fellow who drew it in c.1781 didn't know any better.


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The reason for the boots is just that in caricatures in late 1700s Spanish are depicted in 17th clothing, this migty be just to say that their reign is gone. Not the only cartoon where this is happened. So only the English sailor and perhaps the Dutch figure/ sailor are reliable.

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http://upload.wikime...7th_Century.jpg

That was a musket manual in 1600s

George Anson's capture of a Manila galleon. In Mid 18th century. You can make it a quite much larger

http://ageofsail.dev...el_scott_1_.jpg

Here is the man. apparently before 1748 as there is no blue and white uniform.

http://www.coincommu...rdAnson_opt.jpg

Now a lovely map (thanks Grymm) but the decoration figures are interesting also (below rigth)

http://maps.bpl.org/id/14150

There is a fineny dressed European figure (with some facial hair by the way) but on the left side we can see some common man's/ sailors clothes starting with a jacket with simple 3 buttoned cuffs and small brimm hats and other headgear as well. Also I see it likely that the other European man with a bottle(look left from the gentleman) can well be a sailor. There is also odd mythical creatures like in always in old maps but i have nothing to say about them.

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George Anson's capture of a Manila galleon. In Mid 18th century. You can make it a quite much larger

Great Scott! Look at the size of that flag! I doubt they could have made that much larger.

Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?"

John: "I don't know."

Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."

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Now HERE'S an interesting picture! It's called the Barber-Surgeon's Shop by David Teniers the Younger and it's in the British Museum:

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Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?"

John: "I don't know."

Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."

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I have not been active here for a while since I have had other interests. But now I am posting fascinating pictures. Well clothing again…. for some reason I think it to be interesting and fun to study while I have no technical reason to do so:

This time I am fascinated by coats. Not justacorps but garment which I call “mariners long coat” which appears to be a more practical form of the long men’s coat or long waistcoat –usually with split style mariners cuffs. I have seen these in quite a few period pictures and I see these could be the sailors coat for bad weather when puny short jacket was not enough. I think these kind of coats were used by many officers in the navies and other like captains and perhaps indeed pirate captains.

This can be seen in a painting of a Dutch captain made in 1709. I have seen a better picture of it and the color of the coat is dark blue. This seems to be an accurate copy (with some watermarks)

The-Cloth-Shop-1709.jpg

and see what a sea gunner is wearing in 1692

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And as a final touch a picture from the 1701. Look at the right. That man that is an English sailor, accordingly to Foxe’s post in another pirate forum

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I wonder why these kind of coats are not seen among reenactors –they appear to be accurate and they are quite close to the iconic justacorps coat.

I have liked these coats so much that I have used these in my own drawlings. see here

https://pyracy.com/in...cy-1690s-1720s/

Now being less naïve than before, I am actually getting the Osprey’s "Pirate: the Golden Age for Christmas", the very same book which I have criticized -perhaps too harshly.

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St. Jago (West Indies/Santo Domingo/Dominican Republic) Issued Amsterdam: 1676; by Meurs

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From the first Dutch Edition De Americaensche Zee-Roovers Amsterdam, 1678

Mycroft: "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?"

John: "I don't know."

Mycroft: "Neither do I. But initially he wanted to be a pirate."

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St. Jago (West Indies/Santo Domingo/Dominican Republic) Issued Amsterdam: 1676; by Meurs

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From the first Dutch Edition De Americaensche Zee-Roovers Amsterdam, 1678

The last picture makes me wonder did Spanish actually use Mediterranean like galleys in Americas or was it just an European illustrator who knew what Spanish ships were like in the Mediterranean Sea but not what they were like in America....

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Some neat stuff from NMM: site

Well not exactly gaop stuff quite near sailor bust from 1752

http://collections.r...jects/5774.html

fugure head featuring rather silly looking lion circa 1720

http://collections.r...ects/18794.html

A painting of naval officer made circa 1700

http://collections.r...ects/14530.html

A portrait of a 17th century English brigantine circa 1725

http://collections.r...ects/12470.html

1706 painting of commodore the Honourable William Kerr

http://collections.r...ects/15559.html

Rear-Admiral Sir William Whetstone circa 1707

http://collections.r...ects/14561.html

Rear-Admiral Sir John Munden, circa 1705.

http://collections.r...ects/14346.html

Elizabethan sea dogs in 17th century painting

http://collections.r...ects/14077.html

Robert Osboldston circa 1718. Nice blue silk robe there

http://collections.r...ects/14397.html

unknown officer from neither merchant or royal navy. circa 1700

http://collections.r...ects/14610.html

What a nice ship. Lovely colors. Oh and sailor are visible too …

http://collections.r...ects/12499.html

Hogarth's work of Woodes Rogers

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14446.html

This is a nice picture of RN captain (odd usually there is painting of only admirals) circa 1707-1711. And this also tells that some naval officers in RN used blue coats even before uniforms of 1748 and in period when naval slops were red and gray (but indeed more navy men are using red or brown)

http://collections.r...ects/14222.html

We need some corpulent navy guy here

http://collections.r...ects/14255.html

what a lovely ship cross-section

http://collections.r...ects/12364.html

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Oh I cannot edit that anymore so I must double post.

sorry

one of my fav pictures from 1750

http://collections.r...ts/127936.html

I keep wondering those hats (the hat that the man with red neck cloth uses and some of the background sailors) are and wonder of they had something to do with earlier RN leather caps. They look quite much like this later example http://www.hmsrichmo...bargeseaman.jpg

and here we have one legged seaman circa 1800 http://collections.r...cts/127939.html

and this is nice http://collections.r...jects/4224.html

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Sorry for triple post but it seems that time is up and I cannot edit my earlier posts.

Chaloner Ogle in 1718 actually four years before than he killed Roberts.

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14390.html

btw he is wearing blue coat again

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This is especially for Mission

One handed admiral Charles Stewart, 1681-1740

Oh and again blue coat before 1748 uniforms...

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read the description here http://collections.r...ects/14510.html

more one handed Gaop- era naval persons.

More NMM stuff

Chares galley circa 1670 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14727.html

even more admirals http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14021.html

19th century Chinese pirate flag http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/554.html

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