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That would be great!

Beforehand thanks.

I am wondering how long it would take a Victorian era ship to go from Honduras (Caribbean) to England (europe).
Would it go directly? Or does is still needs to take the ocean currents and winds in account?

If I remember right a 18th century sailing ship would go from England to the Caribbean by first sailing south to the west coast of Afrika and then cross the ocean using the currents and the winds.
And it would go back, by sailing up to halfway north America and then cross the ocean to Europe.

Does the victorian (steam) ships still need to do the same to get to Europe?
And how long would it take to go to Europe? (and back)

I have a small book with the name: "Piraten encyclopedie" (pirates encyclopedia), it's dutch and it contains a long list of 1000 Dutch (pirate like) people with their names and known surnames and their history (if that exists). the ISBN is 90-5911-273-3. So if your into dutch pirates and your able to read a little dutch, I guess it would be a nice addition to your bookshelf..

Incidents of travel in Yucatan. Vols. I & II.

By John Lloyd Stephens.

...an interesting book with John Lloyd Stephens explorations of ancient Mayan city's and his contacts with the Spanish, Mayan and mixed people that lived in Yucatan in the year 1841...

Now I've never been called the brightest boy in the boat, but wouldn't the presence of spurs be somewhat indicative that these boots were not intended for use at sea?

Who said I was going to use these for a pyrate impression???

Altough this forum might be called Pyracy.com there more kinds of reenactors roaming these posts, then just seafearing lad's and girls.

For all other discussions about boots and pyrates, I would suggest reading this thread from the start and reading the other nummereus discussions on the subject in this forum.

For me my persona is a 1710 Spanish officer in the colonial world (most likely with a fear for water) so my thought is that boots would be very wel possible...

Thank you for your kind and considered words.

In this forum called Pyracy.com there is a subforum called Captain Twill, which is described as being for "Academic talk, research, share, discuss, debate & argue maritime history." This thread is in that subforum.

Yes, I have read this thread from the start. It had been dead for a year and a half before you revived it with your first post to it. You did not include any information in that post about your persona or intended use.

I made a comment/query about the boots. Who said I was talking about your (hitherto unkown) persona and intent? In fact, since I made no effort to address your questions at all, who said my query was in any way directed towards you?

In other words: Is it really necessary to have a hairtrigger on the insults?

For some reaon I did indeed felt adressed. If this and my response was out of place, then I apologize...

Now I've never been called the brightest boy in the boat, but wouldn't the presence of spurs be somewhat indicative that these boots were not intended for use at sea?

Who said I was going to use these for a pyrate impression???

Altough this forum might be called Pyracy.com there more kinds of reenactors roaming these posts, then just seafearing lad's and girls.

For all other discussions about boots and pyrates, I would suggest reading this thread from the start and reading the other nummereus discussions on the subject in this forum.

For me my persona is a 1710 Spanish officer in the colonial world (most likely with a fear for water) so my thought is that boots would be very wel possible...

I vote Foxe for Senior Class President!

I have said my peace on this before, so I won't go into much detail

However

Everyone needs to seriously take a look at GAoP bucket boots.

Here are some from early 1700

I realy like the sturdy look of the upper pare and the right one on the lower picture.

Does anyone have a idea or drawing of the layout of the extra layers of leather?

The classical chicken or egg dilemma.

Where do I get a gun to rob a bank with, so I can buy myself a gun?

Yesterday I visited the Batavia dockyard and the ship itself.

I took a whole bunch of pictures and figured you might wanna see them...

Their in my gallery https://pyracy.com/index.php?/gallery/album/555-the-batavia/

So cheers!

I understand, I am sure the price is fair, I just can't affort it...

It sure is my time span and definitely my nationality of interest, only the pricetag is going to be way out my range,,,

But I would love to see what the plans are and can't wait to see the outcome...

Vertical pockets were pretty popular for the earlier coats

Could you tell us more about this picture? Periods and such?

I have two casta paintings from 1725, one shows a men rolling his own cigaret that I would rather call a "papelito" or "pepelete" according to a book I have about smoking.

The other casta painting shows a man smoking a small cigar. Both pure Spanish men if i'm not mistaking. The book also tells that in the early 18th century such small cigars or papelitos where also made in Mexico, like they where in Sevilla at that time... Dispite the two casta painings showing smoking men, the book also states that these small cigars where more considered to be for woman...

http://collections.v.../O90062/cravat/

Here is the one I was thinking of. It's a little tighter of a weave than the 2.5oz linen from Fabric-Store but it's the closest I've been able to find thus far. And it's cheap.

Verry interresting, thanks for the find/link also the measurements are interresting are their all about the same size or are their differences?

I hope you people don't mind me picking your brains all the time. ...

Thanks for the info again. Amazing how a "simple" thing as a cravat can get complicated.

I am aiming towards this style of cravat to start with:

And I whas thinking of making it out of silk. I have also a nice broad piece of lace for the ends, but would a fine linen then be a better choise?

funny thing is about the linen, that in holland the fabric "cambric" appears the be called by the the family name of it's inventor so it's Batist from Baptiste de Cambray (according to wiki)...

Hi Jack, first yes the aim is towards period correctness. So every info about how to get authentic is most welcome!

I had to look for the difference between dupioni and taffeta using Google images, and look the two terms up on the internet to get an idea about what it would be in Dutch, so I can harras the shopkeepers here in Holland with those two terms and see if they know what their talking about... always fun (or frustrating :angry: ...)

Could you tell me if Taffeta is soft and fluent, in it's folds and wrinkels?

Okay it's back to the store then...

Interesting insight, thanks Mark!

Today I bought some bits of 100% white and black silk for making cravats.

I had a choise between very fine and soft and a litle more coarse with some irregularities and aparently stiffer fabric...

I wend for the coarser one thinking it would be more period, but already while walking out of the store I realised that this fabric would not fall and fold as fluid as the cravats seen on the old paintings and drawings.

Only the other silk in the store looked so finely and perfectly woven that I doubted that this could be made in the old (1700) days, or could it???

Any thoughts anyone??

After a few decades of experience using bandoleers, I would say that the lining was thinner leather instead of cloth. When a matchlock goes off, hot embers are blown off of the end of the match. This will make holes in fabric. If you are going to go to all of the trouble of lining a bandoleer then you would use leather. Otherwise it would look bad quickly.

Also, cloth would wear through at the shoulder.

That could makes sense Mark,

Would that also be the case with flintlocks?

Then.., virtualy all your clothing would be ruined after a morning of target shooting??

Thanks guy's for the input.

I also think that it would be possible that the illustrator rather wanted to make a nice drawing of an typical Spanjard, then to be a 100 % accurate, after al he is an artist and wanted to make a book that sels I quess. Just drawing a nother men in the real fashion of the time would make the men repeting himself.

And like people stated in the other thread posted here, he might also not be in favour of the Spanish at that time and therefore not being to willing to draw them as highly fassionable people.

Also could he have taken inspiration of the more folk clothing of surten Spanish regions, that indeed appear to be more conservative and drew heavily from older fashions...

If it comes to finnishing the edges of leather, then this might be an interresting photo:

The edges here apear to be folded over en then stiched twice... Also a neat way to do it...

Thanks folks for the info, Edging the leather against shaffing does make sens.

And explains the stiching you see on so many drawings, without the need for something on the back side.

I have some thin red leather somewere so I could use that maybe...

The leather I have is a natural pale color with the booth sides rough and I plan to rivit the parts together with big iron blued rivits.

So the overall appearens would be a bit militia like I quess.

I am happy to hear that painting would be a plausible option, so that's it gonna be then. I am good at painting so it might turn a bit more colorfull then just black. Could I juse modern acrilics for that to, ot does it need to be ceramics paint?

I also have some gold leave laying around, could that work, or will it rubb of to easely?

Hi Michael

This is the example I am going to work from... The edges do look to me to be covered with some kind of fabric with the stiching clearly shown.

And the elaborate Flur de Lise on the flap, you think this is done with a seam grover?